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Mar 18 2024 05:06pm
Quote (zorzin @ Mar 18 2024 11:51pm)
Ukraine targeting oil refineries just shows that this is simply an energy war being fought by uncle sam against Russia.

Awhile back Ukraine managed to strike (read: slightly damaged but still) a a50 awacs while it was in a hanger. This strike had a major impact on the front, while targeting Russian energy does nothing for Ukraine from a strategic standpoint.


hmm what you are saying is completely wrong: targeting Russian energy is very good for Ukraine. US already damaged themselves alot by stopping the assistance.
Doomsaying by twisting the "fault" onto US is russian propaganda btw.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 18 2024 05:33pm
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 18 2024 04:06pm)
hmm what you are saying is completely wrong: targeting Russian energy is very good for Ukraine. US already damaged themselves alot by stopping the assistance.
Doomsaying by twisting the "fault" onto US is russian propaganda btw.


Same bs from this person over and over ... Why are we pushing to arm nazi's on the border of Russia ? CIA operations since 2014 in Ukraine is documented and a fact...How is that Russian propaganda? I am a American i would love to blame Russia for all the evil in the world if they are doing it.. But I must be aware of reality ... You are the one repeating propaganda
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Mar 19 2024 01:08am
Summer offensive towards kharkiv & sumy. Thoughts?
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Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 19 2024 02:08am)
Summer offensive towards kharkiv & sumy. Thoughts?


Spring very unlikely. Summer possible. They're building up troops and clearly preparing for it, but it could come 2025 or next week for all we know
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Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 19 2024 07:08am)
Summer offensive towards kharkiv & sumy. Thoughts?


Maybe start with retaking all of Belgorod Oblast.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 19 2024 09:51am)
Maybe start with retaking all of Belgorod Oblast.


Unlikely, but you don´t think they would use nukes in that fantasy scenario?

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Summer offensive towards kharkiv & sumy. Thoughts?


It took Russia months of intense and costly fighting to take small-ish cities like Avdiivka and Bakhmut, cities which ultimately didn't have utmost strategic value to Ukraine and could be given up. Kharkiv is a much bigger city and losing it would basically be the death knell for Ukraine's efforts, they will throw everything they have at holding it. It is also a battle-hardened city, "Battle of Kharkiv" has its own disambiguation site on wikipedia because there's been 4 or 5 major battles in that city over the past century alone.

So unless Ukraine completely runs out of shells, I don't see Russian offenses toward Kharkiv as promising. And in that scenario, Russia is free to do whatever it wants anyway.
Sumy makes no sense to me, they already tried to capture that territory in Northern Ukraine back in 2022 at the start of this war and failed miserably.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 18 2024 09:33pm)
https://news.sky.com/story/car-industry-insists-2000-increase-in-sales-to-azerbaijan-has-nothing-to-with-russia-13097685

UK car exports to Azerbaijan have risen by over 2000%, with the average vehicle costing $150,000 USD. So since I'm sure Asim Qasimov doesn't need an entire fleet of BMWs, its definitely the average Azerbaijani with his $6600 USD salary saving up 15% of his budget for 150 years to buy one. Because the other alternative would be these cars are crossing the border into Russia to avoid the pathetic sanctions, and that can't be happening


TIL BMW's are UK car exports.

"Bayerische Motoren Werke"

Sounds British

Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 19 2024 09:04am)
Unlikely, but you don´t think they would use nukes in that fantasy scenario?


I mean RUSSIA should retake control over all of Belgorod. Just read 9,000 Russians are evacuating the Oblast.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 19 2024 10:43am)
It took Russia months of intense and costly fighting to take small-ish cities like Avdiivka and Bakhmut, cities which ultimately didn't have utmost strategic value to Ukraine and could be given up. Kharkiv is a much bigger city and losing it would basically be the death knell for Ukraine's efforts, they will throw everything they have at holding it. It is also a battle-hardened city, "Battle of Kharkiv" has its own disambiguation site on wikipedia because there's been 4 or 5 major battles in that city over the past century alone.

So unless Ukraine completely runs out of shells, I don't see Russian offenses toward Kharkiv as promising. And in that scenario, Russia is free to do whatever it wants anyway.
Sumy makes no sense to me, they already tried to capture that territory in Northern Ukraine back in 2022 at the start of this war and failed miserably.


They literally withdrew from those areas when the Kiev feint failed and they realized they are in for a protracted long war after blitzkrieg failed. Pro-Ukrainian people keep highlighting how Ukraine was able to overtake large swaths of territory back but don't really want to tell the whole truth, that in reality there were no large scale grindy battles fought in those areas, the Russians realizing they were stretched thin just pulled back. It would be easy for Russians to go into north east Sumy but the objective has never been for them to gobble as much landmass as possible. Look at the map of east Chernihiv and northeast Sumy, it's basically sparsely populated forests and small towns, this area would be really easy to take but harder to hold long term. What they really want is the full Donbass, most likely Kharkiv and the real prize would be Odessa. These are the historical pro-Russian lands, those are the places they enjoyed the most local support.

To me, if they decide to move into those two regions, it indicates one of three things really. One, it could mean that their sights are on much more than just the few regions they already posses and they maybe want to a lot more territory, maybe try most of everything to the east of Dnieper, to me this is unlikely though. Two, it's a way to stretch already limited Ukrainian resources even thinner. It basically opens up a new front and forces Ukraine to dedicate troops there, leaving the east and south thinner. The real objective is to 'thin' out in areas where they really would like to advance. Thirdly, it's to setup some buffer regions between Russia and Ukraine, so Ukraine can't harass with these border raids.

2 or 3 to me seems most likely.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 19 2024 09:17am
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Mar 19 2024 09:06am
By the end of this month, the number of artillery shells delivered to Kyiv will reach approximately 500,000.
=> this can help keeping the frontline for few months at least.
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