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The only definitive thing you've proven is that he gave money to development of vaccines in December, after the formulations were already figured out, and before that owned stock in Pfizer.
You haven't met your burden of proof. I'm making you do your homework by asking questions. You haven't proven your claim, that Gates was involved in the development of the vaccines. And even so, "giving money to people so they develop it faster" is hardly something damning, or really concerning in any way. If you want to get on the conspiracies of being microchipped or whatever then you're going to have an even higher bar to clear.
How have I not met my burden of proof? Because I didn't have a wiretap on Mr. Gates' phone? Should I dig into his email history and find where he may have been communicating with the companies responsible for developing the vaccine? If you think that they just through $1,750,000,000 at the efforts and go back to making burgers on the grill, you're once again being willfully ignorant. You don't make people do homework on something you also have no clue about. You refuse to Google it, and won't believe those who do. Even when it comes from the Gates' foundation itself. Your level of complacency is toxic. Ignorance is bliss.
I'm not pushing conspiracies about microchips, nanobots, or whatever else fuckery you might have. There are two types of people who believe that you shouldn't be forced to get vaccinated. One of them thinks that their nose hairs will start sending signals to the mothership. The other thinks that it's a push for money, isn't as effective as the manufacturer's claimed, and believes that you shouldn't need to take any medication you don't want to. I really just wanted you to open your eyes and do your own research. If you're going to continuously ask someone for the same thing over and over, you better know whether or not it exists.
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jul 16 2021 11:50pm)
Let’s give you 100 benefit of the doubt. Gates funded vaccines. Does that make them bad? Can you prove or feel there is I’ll intent? Maybe for sake of argument he is doing something he thinks will help and make money? The “Gates is bad” isn’t proven in my mind
In no way shape or form, have I stated any ill intentions of Bill Gates. Thor knows this, but refuses to accept that he was wrong in stating Bill Gates did not fund or "get involved" in any vaccination development. So at least we're now to the point that the you both are accepting that Bill Gates has, is, and will continue to fund vaccines. There's no benefit of the doubt to be given. If you refuse to read a single paragraph from an article, you're being willfully ignorant.
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The fact that so many people repeat the "why are you worried if you're vaxed" line just shows how crap our schools are at teaching basic science.
Why does this go against basic science, or any science at all really? I would say that it directly supports the science. Scientists and certain manufacturers have claimed previously that their vaccines are nearly 100% effective at preventing severe illness. That's the science.
If you're vaccinated, why are you worried about someone who is not? It's really a pretty genuine question that you cannot answer it seems.
I find it relatively frustrating that you have to stoop to a level of calling people either "uneducated" or just plain stupid because they're asking a question you cannot answer, or refuse to answer. It's a simple one to answer. Why are you worried? It's taken me more time to write this post than it should take you to answer that questions.
Edit: I feel that if both of you could just drop your political views and assumptions from your thoughts and attempted debates, this would likely go a bit further. The best way to have a good debate is to both answer and ask a question, whether it be a different question or a rebuttal to the question asked. For the record, theCrossbones , I stated many pages back to "Follow the money." So yes
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Maybe for sake of argument he is doing something he thinks will help and make money?
This post was edited by Tpot on Jul 17 2021 07:22am