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Apr 1 2021 09:46am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Apr 1 2021 10:42am)
If you're gonna get hung up on the recovery position STOPPING cardiac arrest (rather than not exacerbating it, which is what Snipa is specifically referencing), then let's take it a step further. If your suspect is in a state of cardiac arrest, and you want to STOP said condition, then why didn't they administer CPR immediately? Now you're running back into that duty of care problem (as well as venturing into depraved indifference territory).


They had already made the decision at that point to call EMTs for a load-and-go due to the hostile crowd, judging it unsafe to attempt to resuscitate Floyd at the scene and instead wait for the EMTs to arrive and perform CPR as soon as he was loaded in- which is exactly what they did
That was standard procedure circa 2020

Now, the standard procedure has once again changed, much like how they use more dangerous restraints: They simply don't attempt to resuscitate black men who are dying in high risk areas at all. If a 911 caller says someone is dying in George Floyd square, the dispatcher will politely ask them to move the person's body a few blocks away where its safe for police to approach. If they don't get moved, they stay there and die. Its a no-go zone. Similar protocols for when crowds are present at any other areas.
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Damage does not HAVE TO be present for the conclusions to still be valid.

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Apr 1 2021 09:49am
Quote (Surfpunk @ 1 Apr 2021 08:42)
If you're gonna get hung up on the recovery position STOPPING cardiac arrest (rather than not exacerbating it, which is what Snipa is specifically referencing), then let's take it a step further. If your suspect is in a state of cardiac arrest, and you want to STOP said condition, then why didn't they administer CPR immediately? Now you're running back into that duty of care problem (as well as venturing into depraved indifference territory).


There is no duty of care when it comes to CPR where police are involved unless they are a certified medic. In fact, most departments strictly prohibit officers from rendering aid, as the damage inherent in CPR can be considered abuse. Note: If you've never taken CPR training, shut your whore mouth. That shit can crack your sternum and break your ribs. For a law enforcement officer, the duty is to call the medics, which Chauvin's team did.

Quote (thesnipa @ 1 Apr 2021 08:44)
correct. not only did i not state it would, but stated it would not several times.

you're beating a strawman, when ive said all along they could have simply bought time to increase floyds chances while in their care.


How could Floyd's chances have improved based on the recovery position? I'm honestly curious. It just so happens I know more than a little about cardiac arrest, and you've gone and turned it magical. Bring it back down to earth, please.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 1 2021 11:30am)
there are holds that work maybe 50-80% 'less well', and they now use those instead of the superior and safer hobble restraint, ironically using the older restraints that were phased out specifically because they were more likely to kill those black men
so net result is still more dead black people, its a secret win for the klan I guess


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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 10:39am)


You claimed to have done martial arts and been choked out right?

How many times have you been choked out in such a way that it would have shown on an autopsy?

I'd be willing to bet never. I know I haven't and I've been choked out more than once.
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You claimed to have done martial arts and been choked out right?

How many times have you been choked out in such a way that it would have shown on an autopsy?

I'd be willing to bet never. I know I haven't and I've been choked out more than once.


I have permanent throat damage. Not that it matters. That's not relevant in this case.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 10:49am)
There is no duty of care when it comes to CPR where police are involved unless they are a certified medic. In fact, most departments strictly prohibit officers from rendering aid, as the damage inherent in CPR can be considered abuse. Note: If you've never taken CPR training, shut your whore mouth. That shit can crack your sternum and break your ribs. For a law enforcement officer, the duty is to call the medics, which Chauvin's team did.


can and did, in this case. Even with trained EMTs and a fancy ass machine in the ambulance to perform chest compressions, he had a horizontal sternum fracture and fractured 4th rib.
yeah, you can't just have cops jumping up and down on people's chests
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Apr 1 2021 09:53am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 10:49am)
There is no duty of care when it comes to CPR where police are involved unless they are a certified medic. In fact, most departments strictly prohibit officers from rendering aid, as the damage inherent in CPR can be considered abuse. Note: If you've never taken CPR training, shut your whore mouth. That shit can crack your sternum and break your ribs. For a law enforcement officer, the duty is to call the medics, which Chauvin's team did.



How could Floyd's chances have improved based on the recovery position? I'm honestly curious. It just so happens I know more than a little about cardiac arrest, and you've gone and turned it magical. Bring it back down to earth, please.


Multiple Choice Questions:

1. Breathing more easily:

a. Increases chance to survive cardiac arrest
b. Decreases chance to survive cardiac arrest
c. has no effect

2. Laying on one's side as compared to one one's stomach:

a. Makes breathing easier
b. Makes breathing harder
c. has no effect

no effort google-fu reference for my A:A answers.

https://newsroom.uhc.com/health/awareness/sleeping-positions-for-better-health.html
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Stomach: Sleeping on your stomach may make breathing regularly a challenge because airway passages could be compromised. Others may experience neck pain or tingling in joints and muscles due to poor circulation. To help avoid putting pressure on the spine, tuck a pillow under your pelvis to keep a neutral lumbar position.
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Apr 1 2021 09:57am
Quote (thesnipa @ 1 Apr 2021 08:53)
Multiple Choice Questions:

1. Breathing more easily:

a. Increases chance to survive cardiac arrest
b. Decreases chance to survive cardiac arrest
c. has no effect

2. Laying on one's side as compared to one one's stomach:

a. Makes breathing easier
b. Makes breathing harder
c. has no effect

no effort google-fu reference for my A:A answers.

https://newsroom.uhc.com/health/awareness/sleeping-positions-for-better-health.html


Okay, so you don't understand what Cardiac Arrest is. That's fine mate. I'm good with that. NN to respond further.

Quote (Goomshill @ 1 Apr 2021 08:52)
can and did, in this case. Even with trained EMTs and a fancy ass machine in the ambulance to perform chest compressions, he had a horizontal sternum fracture and fractured 4th rib.
yeah, you can't just have cops jumping up and down on people's chests


This is where my empathy still exists. They tried incredibly hard to keep Floyd alive. And they fucking tortured him to do it. Like, damn. Just damn.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 1 2021 10:51am)
I have permanent throat damage. Not that it matters. That's not relevant in this case.


Stop deepthroating your step dad after a fifth of vodka.
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