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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 25 2019 06:54am)
Cambo has caught the Trump flu so hard that now he's criticizing a Congresswoman who dares to point out the consequences of US military intervention.


she's a muslim tho
and a democrat to top off that traitor cake

only people that watch alleged comedian dave smith on youtube can criticize our government
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Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 25 2019 08:56am)
wanna talk kim and putin and saudi arabia and the murder of Khashoggi?


Diplomacy with North Korea and Russia is great.
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she's a muslim tho
and a democrat to top off that traitor cake

only people that watch alleged comedian dave smith on youtube can criticize our government


Again, an Islamic extremist siding with terrorists against the United States is much different from merely criticizing the government for valid reasons.

Your desperation to conflate the two to defend democrats is telling.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 25 2019 08:53am)
There is a categorical difference between slamming the media and criticizing bad actors in the government vs siding with actual terrorists against the united states


We've gone from "they attack us because we're over there" to "Somalis who got killed because of the US foreign intervention were all terrorists".
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Quote (IceMage @ 25 Apr 2019 15:05)
you forgot polling #1

SJWs on twitter don't represent the Democrat party. There's plenty of older and/or black voters who could win the primary for Biden.


The thing is, I expect his polling numbers to go down a bit once he has jumped into the fray. And his most logical path is to argue that he is the best hope to win back the white working-class obama-trump voters in the midwest - but if he leans too heavily into this lane, he might alienate those black voters that would normally back him.

Now, IF Obama came out endorsing Biden, it would be game over and Biden would cruise to the nomination comfortably. But I dont think Obama will do that.


Quote (IceMage @ 25 Apr 2019 15:34)
I'm not even sure that's the reference she intended to make. But even if it was, it's not disqualifying.

What's the substantial difference between calling the US government/military "the great satan", and painting a narrative of corrupt globalists who overthrow governments and start wars to enrich the military industrial complex? It's pretty much the same thing.


Middle Easterners calling the US "the great satan" is not just a subjective or emotional characterization of america, it is also a narrative used by terrorists for ideological spin. Calling america the great satan serves as a justification for acts of violence or even terrorism against americans, it quite clearly intends to invoke some sort of jihad or holy war against this "great satan".
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Diplomacy with North Korea and Russia is great.


Again, an Islamic extremist siding with terrorists against the United States is much different from merely criticizing the government for valid reasons.

Your desperation to conflate the two to defend democrats is telling.


my desperation?
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Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 25 2019 09:04am)
my desperation?


Correct.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 25 2019 07:07am)
Correct.


I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of all you "disqualifying" right wingers and staunch libertarians that are all about burning everything down with speech as long as it's your guy
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 25 2019 09:04am)
The thing is, I expect his polling numbers to go down a bit once he has jumped into the fray. And his most logical path is to argue that he is the best hope to win back the white working-class obama-trump voters in the midwest - but if he leans too heavily into this lane, he might alienate those black voters that would normally back him.

Now, IF Obama came out endorsing Biden, it would be game over and Biden would cruise to the nomination comfortably. But I dont think Obama will do that.

Middle Easterners calling the US "the great satan" is not just a subjective or emotional characterization of america, it is also a narrative used by terrorists for ideological spin. Calling america the great satan serves as a justification for acts of violence or even terrorism against americans, it quite clearly intends to invoke some sort of jihad or holy war against this "great satan".


I don't think Obama will either, and he shouldn't. After 2016, the Democrat establishment really needs to let this primary process go unimpeded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan

The label isn't just a term terrorists use... it's broader than that. It developed because of US meddling in the affairs of Iran, which I assume you and Cambo were both opposed to.

Omar is basically coming at this from the anti-war or anti-foreign intervention perspective, so it's kind of funny you guys are criticizing it.

This post was edited by IceMage on Apr 25 2019 08:12am
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Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 25 2019 09:09am)
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of all you "disqualifying" right wingers and staunch libertarians that are all about burning everything down with speech as long as it's your guy


"burning everything down with speech"

interestingly meaningless turn of phrase.

If you refuse to recognize the difference between wanting to restore liberty to Americans and islamic radicals siding with foreign enemies against the United States that isn't on me.

There is no hypocrisy there on my part.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Apr 25 2019 08:13am
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Quote (Beowulf @ 25 Apr 2019 16:00)
she's a muslim tho
and a democrat to top off that traitor cake

only people that watch alleged comedian dave smith on youtube can criticize our government


Quote (IceMage @ 25 Apr 2019 16:04)
We've gone from "they attack us because we're over there" to "Somalis who got killed because of the US foreign intervention were all terrorists".


Quote (IceMage @ 25 Apr 2019 16:11)
Omar is basically coming at this from the anti-war or anti-foreign intervention perspective, so it's kind of funny you guys are criticizing it.



Bullshit. Ilhan Omar is constantly and consistently spouting the standard talking points of militant palestinians when it comes to Israel, and the talking points of islamists when it comes to american foreign policy.

She is not an innocent actor who we can give the benefit of the doubt. Those are her bread and butter topics, she's either unimaginably incompetent, or she's fully aware of the context of the stuff she's saying and tweeting.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 25 2019 08:13am
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