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Mar 14 2024 06:20pm
So it's more Caesars, troops to Romania (2nd foreign infantry regiment apparently), Czechia, Slovakia and Lithuania all want to party but there was nothing else? What a let down.

Ukraine needs Taurus missles not hopes and prayers
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Mar 14 2024 08:27pm
Calm down guys :P
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Quote (zorzin @ Mar 15 2024 01:20am)
So it's more Caesars, troops to Romania (2nd foreign infantry regiment apparently), Czechia, Slovakia and Lithuania all want to party but there was nothing else? What a let down.

Ukraine needs Taurus missles not hopes and prayers


Problem is you can hit Moskow from Kiew with Taurus. If the US want WW3, they should start it themselves and not on the back of German population. I also don't believe one bit Ukrainians wouldn't hit Russia with them.
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Problem is you can hit Moskow from Kiew with Taurus. If the US want WW3, they should start it themselves and not on the back of German population. I also don't believe one bit Ukrainians wouldn't hit Russia with them.


Fair point but also Russian refineries already being hit well inside Russia.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gop-ukraine-mike-johnson-congress-b2512976.html

"House Republicans will pass Ukraine aid after backing down on border demand"
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Fair point but also Russian refineries already being hit well inside Russia.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gop-ukraine-mike-johnson-congress-b2512976.html

"House Republicans will pass Ukraine aid after backing down on border demand"


I think you don't get how far reaching that decision would be. A Taurus could theoretically be loaded with nuclear waste or real abomb. Russia cannot risk to "gamble" whether the rocket is clean or not. The result would be total retaliation.
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Mar 15 2024 04:15am
I was curious about Harkonnen's refineries map:



How long to build a fully operational one and how much it costs :rofl:
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Quote (ferdia @ Mar 15 2024 12:50am)
"Russia has become a power that wants to expand and it's clear that it will not stop there," Macron posted on X. "If we abandon Ukraine, if we let Ukraine lose this war, Russia will surely threaten Moldova, Romania, Poland."


Putin is blaming baltic states that they would threaten Russian security. People in eastern Europe are afraid they are next after Ukraine has been invaded.
Finland and Poland are already confronted with Hybrid Warfare as Putin is using masses of refugees to destabilize western countries.


Quote (babun1024 @ Mar 15 2024 07:04am)
Problem is you can hit Moskow from Kiew with Taurus. If the US want WW3, they should start it themselves and not on the back of German population. I also don't believe one bit Ukrainians wouldn't hit Russia with them.


In a war scenario it is allowed to attack targets deep within the country of the Russian agressor, as long you are only hitting military targets.

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Quote (babun1024 @ Mar 15 2024 02:04am)
Problem is you can hit Moskow from Kiew with Taurus. If the US want WW3, they should start it themselves and not on the back of German population. I also don't believe one bit Ukrainians wouldn't hit Russia with them.


You can limit the range on them. The real reason is that only 150 of the 600ish that Germany has is operational and you need germans in Ukraine to operate them. It was always a pipedream sadly
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Quote (Gala @ Mar 15 2024 11:24am)
Putin is blaming baltic states that they would threaten Russian security. People in eastern Europe are afraid they are next after Ukraine has been invaded.
Finland and Poland are already confronted with Hybrid Warfare as Putin is using masses of refugees to destabilize western countries.


Russia has 0 chance to stand against the combined EU forces, even if the US excuses itself from NATO (a real scenario assuming Trump's victory).

I think Macron's general goal is to keep people motivated to support Ukraine. A bit of fearmongering goes a long way :)

This post was edited by Ashirgo on Mar 15 2024 04:51am
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Quote (Ashirgo @ Mar 15 2024 10:48am)
Russia has 0 chance to stand against the combined EU forces, even if the US excuses itself from NATO (a real scenario assuming Trump's victory).

I think Macron's general goal is to keep people motivated to support Ukraine. A bit of fearmongering goes a long way :)


its the usual escalation of rhetoric and fearmongering. It makes no sense to escalate this war, but here we are.

Quote (Gala @ Mar 15 2024 10:24am)
In a war scenario it is allowed to attack targets deep within the country of the Russian agressor, as long you are only hitting military targets.


sure, that goes both ways though and is a slippery slope. Ukraine attacks itself, Russia attacks Ukraine, Ukraine attacks Russia, Russia attacks Ukraine, Poland attacks Russia, Russia attacks Poland, Nato Attacks Russia, Russia attacks Nato. at a certain point someone should back down, but there is no sign of that yet.

in war there are no rules. the objective is to win.

My position is that he language used by Macron is escalator y and not helpful. someone else would say its the sign of a great leader, defending democracy, freedom and the american way.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 15 2024 05:03am
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