Quote (Ashirgo @ 14 Mar 2024 09:52)
I'm calling him out for distorting the picture.
Neither Ukraine nor Russia signed the cluster munition treaty, so it's whatever; they're using what they've got. Crying about this when you're Russian or Ukrainian is very hypocritical. The Human Rights Watch would gladly see both sides stop using this type of armament. Picking exclusively on one side for using these bombs is strongly indicating that he is not honest.
Lastly, he reduced the entire Ukrainian defense/fight back effort to "bombing," as if that was the only thing they're doing. This again indicates that ferdia takes a strong stance in this discussion, and is far from being objective.
Happy to call you out on your subversions/distortions anytime!
1) Neither Russians, nor Ukranians should use cluster munitions against densely populated cities irrespectively whether they signed the cluster munitions convention or not.
2) Next to bombings there were also murders, kidnappings, torture and rapes. It is fair to say that both separatist forces and Ukranian forces engaged in it, but that doesn’t make these things just or right. There should be fair trial and a chance to defend themselves for all participants of this conflict.
https://www.amnesty.be/IMG/pdf/2016_you_don_t_exist_arbitrary_detentions_enforced_disappearances_and_torture_in_eastern_ukraine.pdfIf we allow Western aligned Ukranians to overthrow the government with violence and direct the country towards EU / NATO - we should allow the same to people that do not want to go this course. If the stakes have been raised to acquiring power through violence - we should either condemn both sides for using it, or allow people that do not wish to end ties with Russia to take up arms and defend themselves if democratic processes failed them.