Quote (ferdia @ 10 Apr 2022 11:19)

On the Russian TASS platform Putin had said last month that the primary goal of the special operation had been achieved. That article (actually, all of march) appears to have since been removed. I dont know if its just me or if they removed it. I believe I posted a snippet or the headline around 50-100 pages ago in this thread.

The 2 part goal from Russia as I see it were:

1. Ukraine does not join Nato
2. Russia "resolves" eastern Ukraine

As I understand it, Russia is not happy with what has happened for years in eastern ukraine and originally wanted to land grab it. This is not something that Ukraine will agree with and looks to be the main major stumbling block remaining. Therefore russian interest is primary focused on a solution that it will palate. Part 2 to my mind is some "manoevering" relating to Eastern Ukraine (i.e. not related to Kiev or Western Ukraine).

where "manoeuvring" could entail god knows what.

Quote (fender @ Apr 10 2022 10:32am)

ok. to me it very much looks like russian "goals" are simply shifting according to what fits best into their narrative regarding their current military situation, that's what i meant with "all over the place". it's not like they formulated a specific goal which they stuck to and acted accordingly, focused on achieving it.

what that entails should be pretty clear by now: rape, murder, war crimes, relentless bombardment of civilans and infrastructure, millions of refugees, tens of thousands of deaths, just so pootin can claim to "victory" and "conquest" of a devastated region...

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 10 2022 10:37am)

There's imho no way the Russian military operations can be wrapped up by May 9th. They will use the holiday for lots of parades and pro-war rallies, but the fighting will still go on.

Putin can't end this war without taking control of the Donbass, but the Russians could only seize control of the region by May 9 if their offense steamrolls the Ukrainians - and in that case, they'd have no reason to stop; they'd definitely try to push further and capture all of Ukraine to the east of the Dnieper.

Quote (ferdia @ 10 Apr 2022 11:35)

This honestly makes no sense. to reiterate, the Russian goals to my mind (and supported by the demands made in the negotiations):

1. Ukraine does not join Nato (they have this as I understand it)
2. A solution for Eastern Ukraine (they are working on this as I understand it)

If the goal was simply to "rape, murder, war crimes, relentless bombardment of civilans and infrastructure, millions of refugees, tens of thousands of deaths" as you put it then he would have done this years ago. We have seen the russian demands from the negotiating table and we have seen what ukraine will and wont agree to.

Quote (fender @ Apr 10 2022 10:52am)

you misunderstood me. i said it looks like the goals are constantly changing, based on what they think they can achieve militarily.

the rape and murder part is simply what that "entails", since you were wondering. to clarify, i do NOT think that rape and murder are pootin's primary war goals. he just wants to create a legacy as a strong leader and conqueror, and he doesn't mind that rape, murder, and other war crimes are necessary for him to achieve that.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 10 2022 11:15am)

Job Done btw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes#Mass_rapes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_war_crimes#2022

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The Franco-Algerian war has been a taboo subject in France for much of the past 40 years. Now the truth about the rape, torture and other atrocities is coming out

Quote (Djunior @ 10 Apr 2022 09:58)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/breaking-silence-1.1053989
???

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 10 2022 12:03pm)

Oh yes, your false equivalence hypocrisy !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_war_crimes

Quote (Djunior @ 10 Apr 2022 13:20)

Are you seriously saying the Algerian war didn't happen?

Let us know -_-