Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 13 2024 03:51pm)

A lot of these ex-soviet states have been approached covertly by the west (led by the US) with intent to flip them from the Russian sphere. It's really the same story as Ukraine, just Ukraine is much larger, more strategic and was more advanced in the timeline compared to the rest. Fund "pro-democracy" NGO's-> get a foothold within the political sphere -> flip key politicians and judges with money or position of power -> slowly push out Russian interests who have no chance to compete with the damn near unlimited money we can deploy.

Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine, some of the other ones too.

The problem with Armenia is they ended up in a kind of no mans land, and it's sad tbh. They basically are moving away from the Russian sphere thinking the west can and will somehow replace those protections and roll back Azeri gains. They really won't though because Turkey-Azerbaijan are much more important pseudo-allies and key regional players to the west and the west is not likely to do anything.

So today, they are losing territory even territory that the Azeris promised to give back, they aren't giving back. The US or the EU won't do anything to help them with that.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2024 04:11pm)

Russia was Armenia's protective power, it was the main reason why Armenia remained a faithful ally until recently. In 2023, Azerbaijan finally took Nagorno-Karabakh and Russia was unable to come to Armenia's aid since their troops were tied up in Ukraine. Since then, the alliance with Russia has outlived its usefulness to Armenia, so they look toward the West in a desperate bid at gaining any sort of clout. (Which will fail, like void already explained.)

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 13 2024 08:21pm)

I don't know how anyone can view that stuff as innocent.

Quote (Ashirgo @ Mar 13 2024 04:38pm)

Why should anyone? These days it's either China/Russia or USA/EU playing cards.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 13 2024 08:54pm)

Wat

Quote (Ashirgo @ Mar 13 2024 04:56pm)

Why should anyone view these American funded NGOs as something innocent? These days it's either them or the Russian/Chinese anyway.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 13 2024 09:12pm)

I said I don't know how anyone can view them as innocent

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 13 2024 07:21pm)

Thank you for the info!
I need to read more about the area, I don't know it very well but what you say lines up with other countries I've read about the US funding "pro democracy" groups in. It's insane to me that it happens so much, NED gives grants to like 100 countries and they are just one "NGO".

I don't know how anyone can view that stuff as innocent.

Quote (ferdia @ Mar 13 2024 05:48pm)

There is alot in the public domain re: georgia and US attempts to flip it. all the riots last year were US backed. we already commented on this last year though.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 13 2024 08:57pm)

Yeah that is one I've read a bit about personally and seen a few videos/articles about in the thread. Seems like anytime I hear about some random country making a sudden and unexpected shift to the west, one of these groups has been funneling money into it for at least a few years beforehand. Coincidence though, I'm sure!