Quote (ferdia @ Mar 13 2024 10:26am)

Your tag teaming on him. you should try to attack him one at a time, not together.



A free and open society will not ostracize people who express a view that disagrees with the firm majority. The problem is there are fewer and fewer free societies. Look at the united states and how they ostracize - this is NOT normal, or rather, it is the NEW NORMAL. Understand I am not saying Russia is better, its not, its worse, but well thats like when the Israeli's compare themselves to the germans, dont act like the germans if you dont want to be compared to them.

Western Media has repeatedly lied to its citizens related to causes of this war, the death toll on the ukrainian side, why it refuses to do a negotiated peace and who is winning the war (hint: ukraine is not winning).

Quote (Hobbiks @ Mar 13 2024 10:31am)

So first of all, I'm glad that you can atleast admit that nothing is going to change your mind. Regardless of any evidence that me and ^Ashirgo will provide you have just admitted to being uninterested in it. You usually call people out for being bad faith actors when you don't agree with their opinion, but I would like you to take a deep hard look at what that term means. It's a really sad cognitive bias.

Second of all, what Ursula says is completely uninteresting. Again if you read any of the replies aimed at you, that would become abundantly clear. The Ukrainian death toll is the ONLY official death toll currently out and that is coming from a state actor (and unless you all of the sudden want to agree with Zelensky then i assume you would be as critical as i am). Russia does not release death statistics and as such there are no official numbers. I don't care if it is Santa Claus, Ursula Van Der Leyen or Putins secret homosexual lover telling you numbers, they are all unconfirmed (unless you want to believe Zelensky, in which case be my guest). Also, numbers from 2022? What a fucking travesty having to go 1.5 years back to find unconfirmed statistics that were retracted. Jesus.

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 13 2024 10:38am)

Everyone here understands that Russian losses are highlighted and Ukrainian military losses are marginalized. You can see this every single day when you watch Western news outlets

You don't care about statements made by von der Leyen (EU president)? But you care about your rando internet article, lol

Well it doesn't surprise me at all. You're that guy dismissing the NATO chief official statements about NATO involvement in Ukraine as "some meaningless quote"

Oops what's that again?

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They are not pulling the trigger though. What do you think of it?

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 13 2024 10:38am)

Everyone here understands that Russian losses are highlighted and Ukrainian military losses are marginalized. You can see this every single day when you watch Western news outlets

You don't care about statements made by von der Leyen (EU president)? But you care about your rando internet article, lol

Quote (Ashirgo @ Mar 13 2024 10:44am)

By the way, I've been curious how you guys are gonna react to this information.

Clearly, some countries have already sent their military experts to train the Ukrainian troops to use the supplied weaponry. They are not pulling the trigger though. What do you think of it?

Quote (Ashirgo @ Mar 13 2024 10:44am)

By the way, I've been curious how you guys are gonna react to this information.

Clearly, some countries have already sent their military experts to train the Ukrainian troops to use the supplied weaponry. They are not pulling the trigger though. What do you think of it?

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 13 2024 10:53am)

I didn't reply to you but to Hobbiks. If you want to know why I feel free to read the posts he made previously in this topic (To break it down for you, he denies NATO involvement in Ukraine)

Quote (Hobbiks @ Mar 13 2024 10:53am)

"Everyone here understands that Russian losses are highlighted and Ukrainian military losses are marginalized. You can see this every single day when you watch Western news outlets" - But just to be clear, you will not accept any sources proving you wrong. You have your feelings and me or ^Ashirgo cant change them, thats what you just said earlier right?

"You don't care about statements made by von der Leyen (EU president)? But you care about your rando internet article, lol" - Yes, surprisingly I don't care what Ursula said about completely unconfirmed numbers. If Ursula said 3+1 = 8 I wouldn't automatically believe her because she is president of the EU comission. You trust the EU just because their president said something? No critical thinking at all? LOL.

"Well it doesn't surprise me at all. You're that guy dismissing the NATO chief official statements about NATO involvement in Ukraine as "some meaningless quote"" - Misinformation. If you have an article where Jens Stoltenberg says "NATO is involved in Ukraine" then link it right now. If it says anything else I would like you to recant your statement and apologize for the misrepresentation, thanks. (This is where Djunior presents a print screen where Jens Stoltenberg says that NATO is backing Ukraine, which doesn't imply involvement, or he just deflects to another topic.)

You act like Polands PM said something brave and new, but in reality what he has talked about has been covered for hundreds of pages. Military personell from NATO countries are training Ukrainians, this does not mean they are fighting a war or that NATO is involved. Sovereign countries have made decisions about what to do with their military personell. I know you disagree about national sovereignity but you have to accept the reality we are currently living in.