It's just a deflection tactic at this point. He will tell you something the west does is bad, you will tell him Russia does the same thing and he just goes "who said they dont" like he didn't just throw his whole argument down the drain.

Me and have explained in which ways Russia is different from the west and that Russian propaganda together with authoritarian regime means that the country is vastly different than any western countrys propaganda and the best thing you guys have is "you can get cancelled in both Russia and the US"?

Running in circles, until someone eventually realises they have something else to do

Your tag teaming on him. you should try to attack him one at a time, not together.



A free and open society will not ostracize people who express a view that disagrees with the firm majority. The problem is there are fewer and fewer free societies. Look at the united states and how they ostracize - this is NOT normal, or rather, it is the NEW NORMAL. Understand I am not saying Russia is better, its not, its worse, but well thats like when the Israeli's compare themselves to the germans, dont act like the germans if you dont want to be compared to them.

Western Media has repeatedly lied to its citizens related to causes of this war, the death toll on the ukrainian side, why it refuses to do a negotiated peace and who is winning the war (hint: ukraine is not winning).

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 13 2024 03:27am

I've seen von der Leyen state that Ukraine lost 100K killed in December 2022 and that statement was very quickly "corrected"

You think you can convince me with some internet article you dig up? Spoiler: you don't




You failed to point it out where I denied that because I didn't

You're as crooked as your buddy hobbiks




Where did I say the West is bad?

Save me your "implications" lol

I can make shit up too you know

This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 13 2024 03:27am

I dont want to scare ppl away from the topic so i'll bow out for the day.

Hobbit needs someone to hold his hand

So first of all, I'm glad that you can atleast admit that nothing is going to change your mind. Regardless of any evidence that me and will provide you have just admitted to being uninterested in it. You usually call people out for being bad faith actors when you don't agree with their opinion, but I would like you to take a deep hard look at what that term means. It's a really sad cognitive bias.

Second of all, what Ursula says is completely uninteresting. Again if you read any of the replies aimed at you, that would become abundantly clear. The Ukrainian death toll is the ONLY official death toll currently out and that is coming from a state actor (and unless you all of the sudden want to agree with Zelensky then i assume you would be as critical as i am). Russia does not release death statistics and as such there are no official numbers. I don't care if it is Santa Claus, Ursula Van Der Leyen or Putins secret homosexual lover telling you numbers, they are all unconfirmed (unless you want to believe Zelensky, in which case be my guest). Also, numbers from 2022? What a fucking travesty having to go 1.5 years back to find unconfirmed statistics that were retracted. Jesus.

To be fair, whenever anyone who disagrees with you or a few other people in this thread, you all become replyguys and dogpile on to whoever disagrees with you. Don't you think this is a little bit ironic to say? Either way, im not condemning you for it, thats what a debate topic is for right? Djunior said it best a few days ago, if you dont want to discuss with multiple people then go to PMs. Maybe thats something you guys could try if you are unhappy with the state of the thread?

I guess it's fine.

Djunior in fact is not denying what me or wrote, but he provided a rather non-related reflection about the state of things in the West. I think maybe I overreacted to that