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Mar 11 2024 09:17am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 11 2024 03:43pm)
I don't refuse anything of the sort.

If your going to quote me, don't strawman so hard.


If that's the case then you just slammed your own argument that NATO involvement is because Ukraine needs to be defended from invasion.

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Mar 11 2024 09:21am
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 11 2024 03:17pm)
If that's the case then you just slammed your own argument that NATO involvement is because Ukraine needs to be defended from invasion.


Your doubling down with more strawmanning :rofl:

It's so incoherent it's like a playground argument from you constantly.

I'm done even reading your babble. Just post your map once a day and think you've proved some kind of point.
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Quote (Norlander @ Mar 11 2024 03:09pm)
So Palestine's Mujahideen are worse than Chechen ones? Bombing Gaza is better than bombing Grozny? :) Hyp0cr1cy


Making a totally seperate issue.

Did Russia level Grozny, twice? Yes.
Is that behaviour a factor for why so many eastern European countries wanted to join NATO? Yes.

That is all.
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Mar 11 2024 09:29am
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Making a totally seperate issue.

Did Russia level Grozny, twice? Yes.
Is that behaviour a factor for why so many eastern European countries wanted to join NATO? Yes.

That is all.


Was this an invasion? No.
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Mar 11 2024 09:32am
Quote (Norlander @ Mar 11 2024 03:29pm)
Was this an invasion? No.


Sure, I can agree. Semantically that is totally correct.

Was Grozny obliterated by indiscriminate shelling?
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Mar 11 2024 09:33am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 11 2024 02:42pm)
Ukraine was clearly a very divided country, east and west, Ukrainian or Russian speaking.
Geography is obviously a factor in that, the legacy of the Soviet Union and historic closeness/cultural similarity.

Actually though after 2014 Ukrainian nationality was far more clear and together in opposition to Russia annexing Crimea and fueling separatism.

Anyway, can you describe what you think the presumed narrative is?
And maybe what it doesn't make logical sense.


It makes no logical sense that Russia is imperialistic and has dreams of invading Western Ukraine, Poland, much less Germany. If that had been its plan it would have conscripted far more men to do so. that means the narrative that Joe Biden is shopping around is a lie. propaganda. I believe you posted his state of the union speech, or w/e one calls his speech from the other day.

The US is sending bombs to Israel to Bomb Gaza. If the US stopped sending bombs, Israel would run out of bombs within two weeks. At the same time the US is building a port in Gaza to provide relief to whoever is left alive there right now. What I am alluding to here is that the US has some very warped logic. It is a fact that the US does not want to negotiate a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia and will sink any other countries attempts at a peace deal. At the same time they are saying that Russia does not want peace, it wants to invade western europe. It is not in US interests to be at war with Russia.

I have tried to be as blunt as possible here. If you dont agree with anything I said please by all means you explain to me Russia's goals as you see them.

This video was posted before and may aid you in your response:



on a side note i saw this, which is relevant to the current narrative in the topic at hand.





This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 11 2024 09:40am
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Just briefly before I respond to your above post.

Russia has the capability to station nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad.
NATO also has the capability to station nuclear weapons as far east as Poland or Estonia.

When the Royal Navy eventually gets its house in order, trident missiles can be in the Baltic sea pretty much 24/7 365.
So the argument about nuclear weapons potentially in Ukraine being an escalation is fairly moot.
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Mar 11 2024 09:50am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 11 2024 03:48pm)
Just briefly before I respond to your above post.

Russia has the capability to station nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad.
NATO also has the capability to station nuclear weapons as far east as Poland or Estonia.

When the Royal Navy eventually gets its house in order, trident missiles can be in the Baltic sea pretty much 24/7 365.
So the argument about nuclear weapons potentially in Ukraine being an escalation is fairly moot.


I disagree.

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Mar 11 2024 09:52am
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 11 2024 03:50pm)
I disagree.


Can you elaborate?

Most of what I posted is merely statement of fact. The only subjective part is my conclusion/opinion.
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