Oh I thought you wanted to discuss something but you completely avoided my questions.

Well the exact counterbalance to your point is WW2. There hasn't been a global war for 80 years.
Coinciding with the increase in living standards of literally billions of people.
That is not insignificant.

This isn't WW2 and Russia isn't looking to conquer the whole of Europe and start shoving Jews or any other ethnicity into ovens. It's a terrible comparison, which you keep falling back on because your argument is so weak that your only attempt at equalizing is to compare it to the worst possible historical examples?

It's a localized conflict between two neighboring states, a type of war that we've seen play out a dozen times since WW2. Sure NATO is feeding it with billions, which could push into a global war similar in scale to WW2 but we're no where even close to that.

Your point was that foreign military aid has no benefit to Americans.
That's false.
Your obviously intelligent enough to realise that so the dishonesty is not appreciated.

I will add that your comparison to warnin the middle east is a far worse comparison.
Again I would point you in the direction of the questions I posed.

How many Americans are directly or indirectly employed in the defence industry?

How much of that foreign aid is directly spent within the US?

You can not honestly answer these questions and maintain your original position, so I understand you will avoid answering.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Mar 10 2024 02:24pm

Yes but the real issue here is the arms race. What are the FAB-1500 glide bombs targeting? Patriot batteries far behind the lines. And then it becomes a few thousand dollar glide missile retrofit like a souped up JDAM, taking out a billion dollar patriot.
And that's the footage we've seen confirmed already.

Russia adapted to the stalemate of their air power being unable to approach the front lines and Ukraine has put a bunch of AA systems close to the front where they are vulnerable in an attempt to hold back the current breakout- as well as committing the biggest armor pieces like a bunch of Abrams- and the result has been a bunch of destroyed Abrams and AA systems. They made all kinds of claims of downed SU-34s and there's some confirmed, but I think the confirmed Ukrainian major armor/AA losses outnumber them at this point

What this goes to show is that Western military philosophy has fully bet on technological superiority during the decades of its post-Cold War hegemony. The weapons and systems developed in this mold are expensive and fancy, rather than cost-effective. Therefore, it's kinda trivial that Western arms are not suitable for winning a prolonged war of attrition. Ukraine simply cannot achieve superiority with the small quantities of modern Western equipment we're sending them.

This is valuable real-time info for NATO and friends since it exposes a potential strategic weakness of its arms strategy ahead of a potential war with China. Russia itself obviously can't really exploit this weakness beyond the confines of the Ukraine war. The combined air force of NATO would of course still be able to completely decimate all Russian forces and operations in Ukraine within a small handful of days really necessary, based on not just an overwhelming technological edge, but also an overwhelming numbers advantage. It's just that there is zero appetite among Western nations for taking any heightened risk of nuclear escalation, or for risking our expensive jets and AA systems.

Instead we got socialism with EXPLOSIONS!

Explosialism

Precisely or as some will frame it -
"NATO have sent all its weapons and they can't even make a single artillery shell, derp."

Even if you don't like reading, there are some pictures to consume as well.
The British Army Review has published a special issue on the Ukrainian defence of the Irpin in the early weeks of the war.

issuu.com/chacr_camberley/docs/wip_-_bar_special?fr=xKAE9_zU1NQ

the first link doesn't seem to be imbedded so you can also use this one
https://issuu.com/chacr_camberley/docs/wip_-_bar_special


The Ukrainian government has responded angrily and vowed never to surrender after Pope Francis said the country should have “the courage to raise the white flag” and negotiate an end to the war with Russia.

“Our flag is a yellow and blue one. This is the flag by which we live, die, and prevail. We shall never raise any other flags,” Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said on social media on Sunday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/10/pope-francis-criticised-for-saying-ukraine-should-raise-white-flag-and-end-war-with-russia

This post was edited by Gala on Mar 10 2024 04:56pm

What Russians think of American equipment
https://twitter.com/JamesPorrazzo/status/1765827597143847349?t=QgleyVC4ylvDZn6Y0X_2qA&s=19