I was referring to my own question, which is not yes or no.

This response was not at the required level of maturity. Your post literally included my name and a childish remark to boot.

Do better.

Why don't you just agree that NATO literally insists that Ukraine becomes a NATO member, it's literally what NATO boss Stoltenberg has been telling us repeatedly in public appearances.

NATO is not the innocent defensive alliance like you try to paint it and we all know it.

So just to be clear, NATO helped overthrow a democracy that was aligned with Russia, put in place an EU puppet state, seized control of the natural resources and laid claim to Russia's only black sea port, spent 8 years laying siege with artillery to ethnic Russian separatist regions, held military drills in the region to simulate attacks on Russia, locked up Russian aligned figures and held Putin's friends hostage, tried to cripple the Russian economy, sent billions of dollars of weapons to kill Russians in a proxy war, had their troops on the ground firing missiles to kill Russians, orchestrated attacks on Russian infrastructure around the world, wants to fold Ukraine into NATO proper and is threatening sending NATO troops to fight Russia directly and spark a nuclear war-
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Russia had no reason to be feel threatened by NATO and is fighting a war of pure unprovoked aggression and America has a duty to defend managed democracy

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 9 2024 03:32pm

Patriot system allegedly destroyed in Ukraine (beginning of the video)

Pope now says what we've been saying forever: Ukraine needs to swallow their sin of pride and negotiate a surrender, lest they be annihilated in whole

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-says-ukraine-should-have-courage-white-flag-negotiations-2024-03-09/

Ukraine just lost its first Patriot launchers, and probably their crews.

A Russian drone operator’s persistence and good fortune paid off on or right before Saturday, when they located—outside of Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine—a Ukrainian convoy including, it seems, at least two truck-mounted quad-launchers for a Patriot surface-to-air missile battery.

Source: Forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/03/09/a-russian-drone-spotted-a-ukrainian-patriot-air-defense-crew-convoying-near-the-front-line-soon-a-russian-hypersonic-missile-streaked-down/

I have to wonder if any US servicemen are being killed in these strikes against equipment behind the lines.
Might come out long after this was is done how many Americans actually died fighting in Ukraine (not counting mercenaries)

I mean, we know US troops are in Ukraine, that they're operating systems / lending support if not engaged directly on the front lines. And these strikes are still pretty uncomfortably close to the front, like Pokrovsk. But I also question how helpful Americans could be at operating missile systems if they aren't in person, and the AA has to be close to the front do so anything. So who knows, maybe active duty secret operations crews are being blown up

The dead have no shame. And the living will disappear into the 18 million veterans of a country that has not been attacked for 80 years