Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 9 2024 12:31am)
Nope. This is PARD, nobody is going to read articles you post, nobody is going to watch videos TiStuff posts. You might as well shout into the void or talk to a wall. If you want to make an argument, make an argument.
You're not willing to engage in a constructive argument process based on facts, that's your loss then. I can only try to provide you with substantial evidence, I don't force it upon you.
You know about 10 years ago I came across you for the first time and I thought that you were a knowledgeable person. But I have reiterate my opinion about you in a way I feel like.
You’re not disclosing as how you are making up your mind nor what sources you are using and this is dangerous.
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And any argument premised on Ukraine having some sort of moral high ground, or just describing one side of the conflict as bad guys, is completely and totally negated by the fact Ukraine is employing literal nazi war criminals in the year of our lord twenty twenty four
Which begs the question of why any American should support sending heavy weaponry to said nazi war criminals just so they can lose a proxy war that is actively undermining American hegemony and the petrodollar
I did never deny that there is bad people on the Ukranian side, let alone war crimes being committed by the Ukranians.
Yet you will not walk away from the misleading argument that Russia is doing good in Ukraine when all they do is invade another country which they have been doing so numerous times in recent history.
This is neo-imperaliasm and the only faint argument you brought up with how well Russia doing in Mariupol with construction work is atrocious considering what they have done to the Ukranian population in this area.
You have been accusing me of saying „Slav bad“ while you don’t seem to realize that Ukranians and Russians both belong to the East Slav populous subgroup.
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According to my narrative the only authority on whats 'legal' under international law are the winners.
According to your narrative, everything is legal as long as you're winning. Good luck with that. Stalin the "winner" already killed a couple million people of his own kin.
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Russia intervened in Ukraine in response to America intervening in Ukraine. Its simple cause and effect.
Here you go, enlighten me as to why Russia had to respond to a boosted Ukrainian country supposedly threatening the Russians with the aid of the USA. Are you believing in the proclaimed weapons of mass destruction that Ukraine and the US where supposedly using?
I’m very surprised that some people in this thread are falling for Russian propaganda.
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The status quo ante was Ukraine as a unified, stable and legitimate democracy, one that aligned with Russia and had some decent measure of sovereignty.
Please define what sovereignity means to you? Would you say that Belarus is a sovereign state in your eyes?
As I wrote in a previous statement, but I'll gladly do it for you again, Ukraine was about to align to Europe which was the reason why Yanukovich was initially elected. Then Yanukovich turned away from his initial position, causing uproar within the population, this lead to protests which became violent and on Yankuvochis order, over 100 protesters were shot down. This lead to the Ukranian government ousting him. And he fled to Russia where was preparing to overtake the elected Ukranian government after Russia killed the Nazis in Kyiv. That was the plan.
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The Maidan overthrew that and sparked a civil war, disenfranchised over half the country and necessitated a Russian reaction to protect their interests and their people.
All the independent sources state that the uproar in the conflict regions in Ukraine have been sparked by Russian mercenaries, calling themselves separatists. The DPR had a former Russian FSB agent as their defense minister.
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Western Ukraine became a vassal state of western powers, transparently puppeteered by the CIA and Brussels, losing whatever sovereignty they used to have in the Russian sphere of influence.
Name me one sovereign state within the russian sphere of influence.
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Russian-aligned oligarchs were replaced by CIA agents, and Russia wasn't going to tolerate that intrusion into their back yard.
Russia wasn’t going to tolerate an independent state moving away from them, that’s true. That’s why they have to kill the Ukranian population. And because they will be victorious, they will be in the right.
Please be so kind and name me one CIA agent who replaced a russian-aligned oligarch.
This argument reminds me of Russians claiming that highly decorated military officials from western countries would be present on the battle field which has never been proven.
They only engaged in the training of Ukranian soldiers, not in the active combat.
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America isn't giving Ukrainians the means to defend themselves, we're giving them the means to sacrifice their lives and bleed Russia in a losing war, losing the only defense they had- peace.
We know they are losing this war and by prolonging it we're further decimating western Ukraine, and yet we're all too willing to throw them into a meat grinder.
Ukranians have any choice to forfeit any day, yet they keep asking for more weapons because they know that if they lose this war, there will be no more sovereign Ukraine on the map.
This is brutal fight which should never have been and that solely Russia is responsible for.
Putin remains a liar by stating he won’t invade Ukraine, yet he did so. The Russian apparatus is a machine of false information, not only concerning the war in the Ukraine. It’s pretty easy to prove them wrong in many cases yet you seem to be legitimizing major crimes on the Russian side, which is surprising considering you are American and have access to independent sources.
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Did you forget to put in your contact lenses for the past 10 years and Mr Magoo'd your way around this whole time? There was a 10 year siege of the DPR/LPR with artillery barrages on both sides, followed by an invasion and hot war in which Ukraine has expanded beyond bombing just the separatist Russian regions but also Russian mainland proper like Belgorod.
Yes you’re right, Russian mercenaries invaded the sovereign regions belonging to Ukraine in Donbass region. They heated up the conflict with military equipment which you have been condemning on the side Western countries at present.
But it is all too legitimate that Russia keeps erasing Ukranian cities for no reason because they’re going to be victorious and it’s their right according to your narrative.
According to wikipedia and per Russia, 13 civilians have been killed in the Belgorod Oblast incursions.
And while any person killed in an act of war is one too many, compared to an estimated 400k killed in the Russo-Ukranian war, this intervention is not a measurable threat to the Russian state whatsoever.
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 9 2024 12:35am)
TLDR, i trust you dealt with it Goomshill.
I have been checking the source you provided. Several sources state, referring to the Human Rights International Report, that during the Donbass war, Cluster Ammunition was used on both sides. While doing so, civil casualties will likely be the consequence.
The mere use of cluster ammunition is a war crime. I wasn’t aware that Ukraine had those before the delivery by the US in 2023.
I have however not found any source proving that there were 50k civilians killed by the Ukranian military during the Donbass war.