Quote (Djunior @ Mar 8 2024 08:17pm)
I never said that it's allowed to wipe them of the map stop engaging in bad faith, your wild accusations have no effect on me anyways, I'm not even Russian dude so hold your horses
You are indirectly saying that. Your narrative is absolutely pro Russian (Zelensky decorates nazis) → Justification to invade?. Because this is what Russia used as one of their reason for the invasion. To get rid of Nazi government.
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 8 2024 08:17pm)
What I'm pointing out is that the present conflict is a result of Western (US) foreign policy and if you think for like two seconds you can figure it out. This is about geo-politics not about your feelings (I'm repeating myself)
This is not just a conflict. This is a war. A slaughter. One country invading another, unprovoked. There is no emotions involved it’s just facts and to this day no human being has brought up any valid point why Ukranian people have to die needlessly.
You cannot invade a country simply because you think that their own foreign policy, which is peaceful, unprovocative, is wrong and does not comply with your own view. If you think otherwise you are asking for an invasion.
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 8 2024 08:17pm)
If the West basically thinks that you're entitled to absorb Ukraine into NATO and the EU while the West and East are historical enemies since the could war then they're delusional.
I know people from Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Russia. They all want to live in peace. Russia is a threat in the region as evidence shows with the current invasion of Ukraine. Seeking for allies and relations in economy and military is a valid point. There is no legitimasation for invasion here.
The young people are striving toward’s EU not as a provocation to Russia because they are afraid of Russia, being imprisoned if they don’t not have the same views as the gov, if you are not able to speak as a free person. There is no democracy in Russia. You don’t know what it means to live in a state like that. Neither do I. But I talked to people who lived there and who just wanted to flee from it.
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 8 2024 08:17pm)
Unless Russia would be a gas station without nukes and unable to put up a fight, in that case the B52's would've carpet bombed Moscow just like the West bombs third world countries into submission and no one would give a shit.
I do not approve of what US or other western countries have done in the 20th century. I certainly do condem the Russian gov’s actions in Syria, Ukraine, Africa. They are killing hundreds of thousands of people all over the world, including their own country, and it’s merely because they want to push their geopolitical interests ruthlessly foward.
Please tell me a reason why anyone would bomb a peaceful Russia? They don’t even bomb a Russia at war. This is an untenable claim that you are making, nobody ever spoke of that and I hear that from you for the first time.
Let me go through this one by one:
McCain
McCain was btw one of the few people to accurately predict that there will be a war in Ukraine.
This is a worthile watch I think
https://www.facebook.com/inukraine.official/videos/back-in-2014-john-mccain-saw-it-all/671145098023377/ Mccain says: Your future, this is about you, about peace, about relations will all of your neighbors.
On a side note: I wonder why there is no Russian politicians speaking there.
In That video I see no guns, no hatred, no aggression towards Russia.
Now I don’t know if he should have mentioned that USA is with them, it is an indirect provocation towards Russia. But does that justify hundreds of thousands of killed people? Is that what you want to tell me?
The destiny of Ukraine lies within Europe and it’s quiet true because Ukraine is on the European continent. Yanukovich was elected because he had a pro European course that he later reverted. And this, along with incarceration of other diplomats (Yulia Tymoshenko ), increasing media censorship (https://akademie.dw.com/en/ukraine-restriction-of-press-freedoms/a-5792722) and growing corruption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence) led to protests. The orders to shoot over 100 protesters dead who were merely armed with wooden shields (is that what you call ukranian agitators backed by the west?) made him unbearable for the Ukranian government.
NATO welcoming Georgia and Ukraine back in 2008, NATO summit in Bucharest
https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html I never denied that Georgia, Moldova or Ukraine were seeking new partners, what is the matter though? Do you say this justifies a Russian invasion including hundreds of thousands of killed people? Ukraine never was and never will be a threat to Russia, this is all made up by Putin who wants to take Ukraine and make it a puppet state like Belarus. He hates independent states.
If you feel like that is a valid reason, Russia might as well invade Finland. Because they did decide to join NATO. Makes them a legitimate target, right?
Verhofstadt
So what you say is that any Eastern European state who welcomes politicians from Western Europe or the United States is a legitimate target for Russian invasion? Is that what you want to tell me? Seriously?
Okay so this is very interesting. Verhofstadt speeks openly in Ukraine about freezing assets of Ukranian politicians and the Ukranian people applaud him. Does this not show how much disharmony there was between the Ukranian people and their government at that point in time? You can also come to the conclusion that these are all paid pro western actors. Just like Russia claimed that the people who were bombed in a Russian hospital in Mariupol are also actors (can recommend the documentary „20 days in Mariupol“ if you want to see what a „liberation“ looks like)
Now this speech was held after already 77 people have been killed and another 500 injured. Still they didn’t falter to protest against the government.
https://www.thebulletin.be/former-belgian-prime-minister-addresses-protesters-kiev The article goes on, stating that: Verhofstadt’s speech was criticised by Idesbald Goddeeris, an expert in Slavic culture at the University of Leuven. “The EU has only added fuel to the fire with Guy Verhofstadt’s intervention,” he told the Flemish radio programme Bonus. “We claim to be arbitrators, but in fact we have intervened because of motives other than freedom and democracy. If we had wanted to help Ukraine, we should have done so during the 2005 revolution.”
Verhofstadt dismissed the criticism as “completely absurd”. He said there was no hidden agenda and the EU was supporting the Ukrainian opposition in its demand for “an end to corruption, media manipulation and government violence”.
So it meant that they froze assets of Yanukovich government after he ordered to kill 77 people. Now as stated in the article it might have stirred some unrest in the Russian gov. But again: What does Russia have to do with Ukrainian affairs? In fact Russia called for an end to the conflict at the time which is only rarely mentioned. A valiant effort that did not last long unfortunately.
I also believe Verhofstadt that he says there was no hidden agenda. Look at his bio. This guy has been prime minister of Belgium and he does not have any interest to stirr up a conflict in that region.
Look at the scenery. Verhofstadt is not armed. He’s not putting a gun to anyone’s head to cheer for him. Sure he talks about what the people want to hear. They are dreaming of an independent Ukraine, not a Russian satellite state. And that’s why so many people have to die in Ukraine every day. Because Putin himself can’t stand a neighbor that does not abide by his will.
I was more expecting the genocide thing, cities being razed to the ground by Ukranians, bombing their own cities and people. It may well be that Ukranians killed Ukranians in the course.
But as a matter of fact and I’m sure that everyone here knows this is that Vladimir Putin is one of the most ruthless autocratic leaders on this planet. He does not care for the Russian minority in Ukraine, he does not care for his own people. He cares about being in power, removing any opposition, remaining there, extending his power, using all of Russias resources to build up their military, go to other countries and invade them.
The countries that he has invaded never proved to be any threat to him whatsoever. It is made up to find a reason for invasion. He is putting people in jail for several years for just holding up a white t-shirt or mentioning that the „special operation“ in Ukraine is a war.
While I do appreciate you post the first 2 videos, which by no means justify a Russian invasion into Ukraine. (There is no threat to Russia anywhere to be seen) , I don’t really feel like you should post a video where a 2nd in line politcian is swearing. I also find it arrogant from the people in the video giving advice to Ukranian officials on what they should or should not do. This is more an offense towards Ukranians than it is to Russians imho. It’s an alleged audio of 2 politicians I never heard of. This is an awkward video but again, there is no threat to Russia whatsoever here.
Sovereign, independent Ukranian people will not let US nor Russian officials tell them how they handle their own politics.
None of the sources you provided gives any reason for an invasion, killing hundreds of thousands in the process, deporting people and children to Russia. Settling Russian people on Ukranian territory.
I hope you never show this to Ukranian people as the reason why they were invaded. They would be very angry at you.
In general I find it disgusting how people try to desperately come up with reasons why Russia would invade Ukraine. Putin just doesn’t like Ukranian indepedency. That’s why he tries to remove independent Ukraine from the map and if he will win the war, which seems to be the case, there will no longer be an independent Ukraine but another Russian satellite state, build on the corpses of many Ukranian and Russian people who have died in vain of another needless war.
This is not between Ukranian and Russian people. They don’t hate each other. I know both nationalaties. I’ve been living together with Russian people. I have Ukranian refugees as my neighbors. They don’t want to kill each other, they want peace.
And yeah I have nothing else to say. If you think the sources you provided here justify an invasion then I can’t help you.