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Mar 8 2024 11:56am
Quote (Gala @ Mar 8 2024 05:49pm)
He said „50,000+ dead between 2014-2022. cluster bombed by kyiv“ which means to me that Kyiv (aka Ukranian Gov) ordered to bomb 50k people with cluster ammunition. That’s the only claim that I would like to see evidence for, no dishonesty here.
Another contradictory point is that Ukraine did not own cluster ammunition before March 2022. Meaning that any attack with cluster ammunition must have been committed by Russia prior to that:

"In early March 2022, The New York Times reported the first use of a cluster munition by Ukrainian troops during the invasion near the farm Husarivka. It landed close to the Russian army’s headquarters. According to the report, nobody died in that strike.[13] An August 2022 Cluster Munition Coalition report noted that Ukraine has used cluster munitions in a limited capacity."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_cluster_munitions_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Concerning your video the video description seems to be pretty on point and unbiased. When it comes to the war in Donbass I’m still missing the war crimes that few people blame Ukraine for or the genocide on the people of the Donbass which Russia accuses the Ukranians of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

The war in Donbass, starting 2014, was an operation led by Russia to take control of Ukranian territory. This is made evident the fact that the group who operated in Donbass and tried to overthrow the local authorities, was lead by Russian Citizen Igor Girkin.
The so called pro-Russian separatists were in fact Russian combat veterans (“Russia only admitted sending "military specialists", later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.“)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin
"Igor Girkin was appointed to the position of Minister of Defense in the Donetsk People's Republic, a puppet state of Russia."

Let’s let that sink in for a minute. A Russian being a defense minister for an independent republic? Sounds fishy to me.

More evidence that Russia is behind the uproars in Donbass here:
https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/conflict-ukraine

„Armed conflict in the regions quickly broke out between Russian-backed forces and the Ukrainian military. Russia denied military involvement, but both Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) reported the buildup of Russian troops and military equipment near Donetsk and Russian cross-border shelling immediately following Crimea’s annexation. „

This kind of illegal annexation of territory by Russia is nothing new. They have also invaded other countries, creating frozen conflicts and stationing troops there (including Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia)


If you want to add details why don't you add that NATO welcomed Georgia and Ukraine in 2008? (lmk if you need the official NATO source) and that Russia responded by announcing a complete overhaul of their armed forces shortly after that in response to that.

That the West pushed on regardless and backed a violent coup in 2014 (Euromaidan lmk if you need sources) and that the uprising in the East only happened after Euromaidan where the legitimate Ukrainian president was replaced by Western backed puppets that are completely dependent of Western support.

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Mar 8 2024 12:02pm
Quote (ferdia @ 8 Mar 2024 18:49)
sarcasm mode enabled: but this makes no sense, Russian security concerns ? why would we look at Russian security concerns? they want to invade all of Europe! is this not what we have been told for the last 2 years ? Why does Russia keep asking for negotiation and peace if they want to invade all of Europe? and why are they not conscripting more men to invade Europe, I am confused. Do you mean to tell me that Russia does not plan to invade Poland and Germany ? but we keep being told that Putin has to be stopped. my head hurts...

Someone explain why the US refuses to negotiate with Russia. I mean I know the reason but I would like to hear the fairy tale reason.
the real reason is that Ukraine currently has less then it had last year and Russia has more, and that the US and Ukraine want to dictate the terms, of Russia's "surrender" even though they are not winning. (ie. departed from reality).

Lets bomb moscow and send Nato troops to Ukraine. For democracy, for freedom! (what could possibly go wrong!)


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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 8 2024 06:10pm)
https://i.imgur.com/IPERvoC.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/KPSNRpp.jpeg


Reminds me american revolution; let's not forget that a good part of americans were "ok with freedom" but would absolutely not risk their ass for it...

why not answering my question about "50,000+ dead between 2014-2022. cluster bombed by kyiv. just adding in facts."

Where exactly are your "facts" ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 8 2024 06:10pm)
Reminds me american revolution; let's not forget that a good part of americans were "ok with freedom" but would absolutely not risk their ass for it...

^ferdia why not answering my question about "50,000+ dead between 2014-2022. cluster bombed by kyiv. just adding in facts."

Where exactly are your "facts" ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War


i think you missed the part where i linked. but then you never read anything we link (you told me this) and you never watch any video's we link either (you told me this)

in fact, you dont even read the stuff that YOU link or the video's YOU post. you told us this as well.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472
https://www.rferl.org/a/death-toll-up-to-13-000-in-ukraine-conflict-says-un-rights-office/29791647.html
https://www.who.int/europe/emergencies/situations/ukraine-s-humanitarian-crisis-2014-2022


This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2024 12:19pm
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Quote (ferdia @ Mar 8 2024 07:15pm)
i think you missed the part where i linked. but then you never read anything we link (you told me this) and you never watch any video's we link either (you told me this)

in fact, you dont even read the stuff that YOU link or the video's YOU post. you told us this as well.


"You" "you" "you" ? IMHO you can now stick on the "fact" that you are posting pure lies, and i will remind it to you each time you fart on my back.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=658842824

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 8 2024 12:19pm
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 8 2024 06:17pm)
"You" "you" "you" ? IMHO you can now stick on the "fact" that you are posting pure lies, and i will remind it to you each time you fart on my back.


you have posted in this topic that you do not read links posted by yourself or others or watch video's posted by yourself or others. this is a fact.

stupid fact, but there you go.
(for those of you curious when he said this, it was around the time he was linking video's about chinese oil/fat)

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2024 12:42pm
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Mar 8 2024 12:23pm
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 8 2024 07:20pm)
you have posted in this topic that you do not read links posted by yourself or others or watch video's posted by yourself or others. this is a fact.

stupid fact, but there you go.


Caught red handed spreading fascist regime propaganda

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=658842824

Know your place and GL trying to make a diversion.

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Mar 8 2024 12:24pm
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Caught red handed spreading fascist regime propaganda

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=658842824

Know your place and GL trying to make a diversion.


well you have re-affirmed that you dont click on links.

to be fair to you, your views on whats happening in Israel seem quite reasonable. Undoubtedly you will consider this a deflection but nevertheless I will say it. I try to be even handed.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2024 12:42pm
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Caught red handed spreading fascist regime propaganda

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=658842824

Know your place and GL trying to make a diversion.


Imagine thinking a casualty number wins the debate here

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