"Ukraine has not commented on the event and the claims could not be independently verified."

The article basically proves that you try to draw a picture that never existed, congratulations.
Now I won't say that Ukranians are sheep, they have also committed crimes and the Azov Battalion did commit questionable deeds.
But that is not even remotely close what Russia is doing they are conquering an independent country, practicing Putin's Neo-Imperialism and his idea of a great Russian Empire

e: here is a comparison of what Ukranian "shalled" areas look like compared to what Russia does:
https://www.quora.com/Why-didn-t-Ukraine-give-Donbas-their-independence-instead-of-attacking-them-for-eight-years

I checked again and there is, like many times during this war, conflicting claims and both parties accusing each other of having fired the rocket.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2022_Donetsk_attack
There is however someone of the Conflict intelligence team which supposedly is independent who said that the rocket was fired from Russian territory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_Intelligence_Team)

Russia is kinda famous for attacking their own people to justify wars, look at bombings prior to the Chechen war.

This post was edited by Gala on Mar 8 2024 08:20am

What to expect from the actions of russian soldiers at large scale when we see:
- Their regime, their masters
- The way they torture people in prisons
- What they did in Bucha

Did you know that, typically, these animals were using the phones of the civilians they assassinated to call in Russia ?

No way to doubt about it: Russian occupation is only ethnic cleasing, children trafficking, genocide.

dude...

https://www.reuters.com/world/eight-killed-after-ukraine-shells-russian-controlled-city-donetsk-mayor-2024-01-21/

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240121-dozens-killed-in-shelling-of-market-in-russian-occupied-city-of-donetsk

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/21/russia-says-at-least-25-killed-in-blast-at-donetsk-market

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/21/donetsk-ukraine-pushilin-russia/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/22/world/politics/ukraine-donetsk-strike-deaths/

All Western sources reporting on the same event.

You don't even know what happens over there, you probably don't even read these sources other than trying to find a single sentence in there that "proves" that it somehow didn't happen despite the graphic evidence.

The Guardian and others cannot independently verify that when they don't have a reporter there on the ground, remember reporters are not even allowed to visit the frontline by themselves in Ukraine and they're certainly not in Donetsk

You can quote as many links as you want I never denied that people died there.
It is however not 100% verified who shot the rocket and why it exploded there. I quoted the Wikipedia article citing an independent source which claims that the rocket was shot from Russian territory.
There are however hundreds of war crimes cases committed by Russians in Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

The incident you are referring to happened during the Russo-Ukranian war. I was specifically asking for evidence that Ukraine was and existential threat for Russia, thus legitimating the attack on Ukraine. And there is 0.
Also Putin said he would never attack Ukraine, few days later he did. How can anyone believe him?

People are just asking for peace, that's it. Why did Russia invade Ukraine?
I know Ukrainians who have fled their country. There are millions in my country. I know people who live in countries close to Russia and Ukraine. I know Russians who condemn Putins aggression and war against Ukraine.

Are you claiming that there wasn't a prolonged war in Eastern Ukraine since 2014?

Or denying that Ukraine sent in it's far right ultra nationalist brigades like Azov?

Or are you claiming the far right ultra nationalists were angels and never shelled Donetsk?


FACTS are that the Ukrainian army intended to crush the uprising in Eastern Ukraine and used everything they had at their disposal like artillery / tanks / missiles / you name it

The war claimed many thousands of lives I remember MSM reporting at the time, maybe can chime in here


That you're mentioning that you know people that fled Ukraine has nothing to do with this other than showing that you're emotionally involved here

The simple fact however is that NATO / the West insisted (and still insists) that Ukraine becomes a NOTO member and Russia will do whatever it can to prevent that. This is about geo-politics and your feelings don't matter

This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 8 2024 09:25am

50,000+ dead between 2014-2022. cluster bombed by kyiv. just adding in facts.

we linked an article several pages back, Ukraine was very upfront about it, they wanted the minority (russian speaking) people living in eastern ukraine "gone" "go away" and they did everything to ensure that. call it war, call it genocide, its the same thing. Russia is not the goody here, but for sure neither is Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

Show me where you see this please.

Baltic states do the same. You know why? Because Russia will attack any country with a Russian minority. He is threatening Baltics already.
It is absurd to believe that the Russian or Ukranian people do not align well. In many cases they have relatives in respective countries.

Speaking about genocides, there has been several on Ukranian soil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
Deportation of Crimean Tatars, Holodomor, to name the biggest ones.

The biggest act of terror against Russian people in history was committed by Stalin, nothing comes even close to that.

Millions of Russians have fled their own country. Why? There is no war. I guess they don't want to live under Putin's dictatorship anymore.



Facts are when you provide evidence with independent links. Please provide those for the 50k dead people committed by Ukraine.

This post was edited by Gala on Mar 8 2024 09:31am