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Mar 4 2024 02:23pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 4 2024 09:15pm)
NATO are not in Ukraine for a start. Of course information on NATO code weapons is being found out against Russian pieces. But this is not really anything knew.
Bradleys and Abrams were chewing up Saddams military 3 decades ago, this isn't even a percentage of NATOs capability regardless of how much you kick and scream about artillery shells.
NATO is predominantly an air superiority based force. Russia is predominantly an artillery land based force.

If Russia didn't outproduce NATO in artillery shells, I would be very, very concerned.

When not if NATO decide to outproduce Russia, what does Russia have then? An increased willingness to throw a few hundred thousand dead in to capture the eastern quarter of the poorest country on the continent?

Its a rough look honestly.


:huh:

Russia has got invaluable information and experience, from the need for secure communications to drone warfare and so on.

Ukraine poorest nation and so on is irrelevant when you train them, arm them, provide star link and spy satellites and even personnel to help them with tech that you provide as proven by the leaked German phone conversation recently

This is not Ukraine alone fighting Russia it's the combined West + Ukraine while Ukraine is paying the price in blood and the destruction of their country

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Mar 4 2024 02:28pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 4 2024 12:07pm)
You can read the article I posted. Source IMF by the way not the Kremlin


Huh? I'm not saying the data is incorrect or the source is providing incorrect info. I'm saying any superpower that wages war has a pop in gdp. Unemployment goes down, gov't spending goes up.
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Mar 4 2024 02:31pm
Quote (SBD @ Mar 4 2024 09:28pm)
Huh? I'm not saying the data is incorrect or the source is providing incorrect info. I'm saying any superpower that wages war has a pop in gdp. Unemployment goes down, gov't spending goes up.


The article talks about energy export revenues that were much higher than anticipated
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Mar 4 2024 02:51pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 4 2024 01:31pm)
The article talks about energy export revenues that were much higher than anticipated


Paywalled and every other article seems to indicate mass military spending, which again makes sense.
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Mar 4 2024 02:58pm
Quote (SBD @ Mar 4 2024 09:51pm)
Paywalled and every other article seems to indicate mass military spending, which again makes sense.


There was another graph in the article showing energy revenues spiked and this makes sense, we all know prices went sky high because of the energy crisis.

Of course Russia is spending lots on weapons right now but the cornerstone of their economy is still energy exports despite Western sanctions.
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Mar 4 2024 05:04pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 4 Mar 2024 12:58)
The impact of Western sanctions on the Russian economy has been tough.


True! As a result of sanctions on Russia, the EU lost it's primary source of cheap power, the US lost it's most dependable foreign source of crude oil and LNG that it refines into other things, the entire planet lost it's number one source of fertilizer. Food prices are up across the board, energy prices are up across the board. Except in China and India, where a massive influx of cheap Russian energy and cheap Russian grains have been an absolute boon.

The impact of Western sanctions on the Russian Economy have been EXTREMELY tough... On the West. Meanwhile, life in Russia hasn't changed, except that there aren't annoying US and Euro corporations everywhere importing cheap Chinese garbage and billing top dollar for it. Instead, it's Russian Companies importing cheap Chinese garbage, and charging cheap rates for it. Weird.
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True! As a result of sanctions on Russia, the EU lost it's primary source of cheap power, the US lost it's most dependable foreign source of crude oil and LNG that it refines into other things, the entire planet lost it's number one source of fertilizer. Food prices are up across the board, energy prices are up across the board. Except in China and India, where a massive influx of cheap Russian energy and cheap Russian grains have been an absolute boon.

The impact of Western sanctions on the Russian Economy have been EXTREMELY tough... On the West. Meanwhile, life in Russia hasn't changed, except that there aren't annoying US and Euro corporations everywhere importing cheap Chinese garbage and billing top dollar for it. Instead, it's Russian Companies importing cheap Chinese garbage, and charging cheap rates for it. Weird.


If all this was true the RU currency would be worth more than dirt. but it’s not. Weird
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Mar 4 2024 05:53pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ 4 Mar 2024 16:49)
If all this was true the RU currency would be worth more than dirt. but it’s not. Weird


Why would the Ruble be worth anything to western financial markets when Russia is cut off from the World Bank? Further, why would Western estimates of the worth of the Ruble matter to Russia when the west cut itself off from Russia?

Didn't really think that post through, did you?
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 4 2024 03:53pm)
Why would the Ruble be worth anything to western financial markets when Russia is cut off from the World Bank? Further, why would Western estimates of the worth of the Ruble matter to Russia when the west cut itself off from Russia?

Didn't really think that post through, did you?


wut? so the Ruble’s value is based on Western perception? lmao
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Mar 4 2024 06:13pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 4 2024 04:11pm)
wut? so the Ruble’s value is based on Western perception? lmao


1 ruble is worth exactly 1 ruble

Its value has never changed ^^
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