so are you saying that if EVERYONE sat in their house and followed all the mandates. 6' masks/stay at home.
the virus would still spread?

You're blaming states that took forever to mandate masks for the spread of Covid while simultaneously saying I only analyze one variable at a time. Like lol, self-awareness of a rock.

"If only Florida mandated masks then California, France & other high case places would be fine now" That's some next-level analysis, my man.

You’re missing the point

You didn’t need to freeze society in place of mitigation measures were properly respected. You are seeing this DEGREE of hospital saturation and death because of the careless nature of our summer. If cases went down properly, via mitigation measures not shutdowns, the situation would not be as drastic now. Yes winter months was always going to produce a flare. However it never needed to be as crippling as it currently is and will be. Outside of human control is an incredibly weak argument given the amount of controls and comparisons you have in the western world.

This is the sort of myopia I'm talking about. Some people simply can't comprehend that there are costs and consequences to all of our actions.

Cases went down in Europe over the summer and then they started coming back up with the onset of the flu season. If what you're saying was true then the below graph for Europe would not look the way it's looking as per the link. Cases were going to go up regardless of how well we did in summer because once again the measures have very little power to actually stop a freight train like Covid.

https://www.statista.com/chart/22102/daily-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-and-the-eu/

“We were always going to have a winter season spike”

The point is the degree. Yes look at Europe, they brought their case load down and how are they doing per capita compared to us? The majority of countries will not be at risk of hospital saturation. VS the United States where literally every state is at risk

The mistake is thinking the US is remotely comparable to ANY first world country in terms of disease burden. By every objective metric we are doing worse than every established country. Idk why anyone is even trying to make comparisons, there is no legitimate point to be made other than how poorly we have handled it

*LAUGH OUT LOUD*

still wearing my mask cuz theres 250 million+ on the vaccine priority list ahead of me and that’s fine. whenever i get the vaccine hopefully by then masks arent required cuz i get grossed out when seeing people wearing a mask they clearly havent washed since march

The vaccine is free lol

Go back and point to where I said that.

You said if cases went down properly the situation would not have been as drastic. I point to Europe because for a long time people gave that as an example of what went down properly meant. Even with their lower rates over the summer they still saw a pretty strong spike between October and November where they actually had higher numbers than ours.

The point is not to compare Europe to the US, the point is that some of the measures we thought would work have no evidence that they actually did but here we are trying to implement them longer and longer. Hopefully, the vaccine gives us long term immunity but if not we can't keep applying blunt tools that actually do more damage and are basically being implemented on notions "well it makes sense that if we close more businesses down then people wouldn't catch or spread Covid" Does it really though? Does the small business being closed help but the thousands of people that are funneled into the same walmarts, targets, etc not have an impact?