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Feb 19 2019 08:53pm
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Which is a really good example of how Sanders is willing to bankrupt the country in pursuit of his socialist dream


Both are true but they are probably not related
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Democrats swear off big money, but will it hurt their 2020 White House chances?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-money/democrats-swear-off-big-money-but-will-it-hurt-their-2020-white-house-chances-idUSKCN1Q31HQ





Hmmm. Yeah, I don't buy this.


didnt trump say something similar and win?
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Feb 19 2019 09:03pm
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Both are true but they are probably not related


That one is false, but it's true that they aren't related.

Also, big talk coming from a guy who supports trillion dollar budget deficits.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Feb 19 2019 09:04pm
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That one is false, but it's true that they aren't related.

Also, big talk coming from a guy who supports trillion dollar budget deficits.


At least I can blame LBJ and FDR for it
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Feb 19 2019 09:19pm
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At least I can blame LBJ and FDR for it


You blame LBJ and FDR for Donald Trump's trillion dollar deficits?

And I thought Obama blaming Bush all the way into 2013 was silly. Now you've topped that in a way that can't be topped.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/20/bernie-sanders-left-2020-225190

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At one level, it’s thrilling for the left: If the self-proclaimed democratic socialist were elected president in 2020, it would represent a truly historic swing in the country’s political orientation. No one would be as committed to the party’s new, socialist-inflected policy agenda than the guy who came up with much of it in the first place.

But among the flaws on Sanders’ résumé for many progressives is one that he can do nothing about—he is a white male, and an old one. In the language of the modern left, the straight, cisgendered Sanders is burdened by his utter lack of intersectionality.


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In his announcement interview on Vermont Public Radio, he was pushed on how he can lead a diverse Democratic Party. Sanders cited the famous Martin Luther King Jr. quote about judging people by the content of their character and replied, “We have got to look at candidates, you know, not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or their gender and not by their age. I mean, I think we have got to try to move us toward a nondiscriminatory society, which looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for.”


sounds good and inclusive, doesnt it?
nope, not good enough.

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For expressing this support for a nondiscriminatory society, a sentiment that would have been considered jejune just a few years ago, Sanders was roundly denounced.

Neera Tanden of the Center for American Progress thundered on Twitter, “At a time where folks feel under attack because of who they are, saying race or gender or sexual orientation or identity doesn’t matter is not off, it’s simply wrong.”

Former Clinton aide Jess McIntosh chimed in, “This is usually an argument made by people who don’t enjoy outsized respect and credibility because of their race, gender, age and sexual orientation.”

Stephen Colbert snarked, “Yes, like Dr. King, I have a dream—a dream where this diverse nation can come together and be led by an old white guy.”


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It’s not as though Sanders is dismissing diversity. In the GQ interview, he said how important it is, and set out his vision for his movement: “My main belief is that we need to bring together a coalition of people—of black and white and Latino and Asian-American and Native American—around a progressive agenda which is prepared to take on an extraordinarily powerful ruling class in this country.”

Once upon a time, this would have been considered a welcome, inclusive view. Today, Sanders is seen as retrograde by the identity-politics hall monitors who increasingly rule the Democratic Party.


:rofl:

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It’s an odd turn of events when unreconstructed socialists are, in at least this one respect, more broad-minded than the Democratic Party. But it’s true, and Sanders will have trouble living it down.


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Politics aside, Bernie really is way too old to become president in 2020. If he's elected he'll enter his first term more geriatric than Reagan exited his second term...

His age, regardless of how fit he is is going to be an issue. The consequence of which is that the VP has to be a very safe pick, likely less radical and exciting than Bernie himself. Not seeing it happen that he's going to win, no way.

I can't see Gillibrand or Harris winning the crucial states that Trump won, with their urban background.

Joe Biden's running the polls it seems, even though he hasn't declared yet. Biden with a more left-wing VP could work I think, if he chooses to declare (though just as with Bernie, the dude's one foot in the grave). Realistically it'll just be two safe picks from the Dems, with one of them to appeal to minority voters.

Ideally I'd see a young, virile, idealistic Dem nomination. But the odds of that happening...
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Politics aside, Bernie really is way too old to become president in 2020. If he's elected he'll enter his first term more geriatric than Reagan exited his second term...

His age, regardless of how fit he is is going to be an issue. The consequence of which is that the VP has to be a very safe pick, likely less radical and exciting than Bernie himself. Not seeing it happen that he's going to win, no way.

I can't see Gillibrand or Harris winning the crucial states that Trump won, with their urban background.

Joe Biden's running the polls it seems, even though he hasn't declared yet. Biden with a more left-wing VP could work I think, if he chooses to declare (though just as with Bernie, the dude's one foot in the grave). Realistically it'll just be two safe picks from the Dems, with one of them to appeal to minority voters.

Ideally I'd see a young, virile, idealistic Dem nomination. But the odds of that happening...


The strongest ticket which is also somewhat realistic would probably be something along the lines of Klobuchar/Booker.

In the end, it's gonna be something like Harris/O'Rourke...

Generally, I agree that both Biden and Bernie are too old.
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Feb 21 2019 06:24am
Quote (balrog66 @ Feb 21 2019 02:59am)
Politics aside, Bernie really is way too old to become president in 2020. If he's elected he'll enter his first term more geriatric than Reagan exited his second term...

His age, regardless of how fit he is is going to be an issue. The consequence of which is that the VP has to be a very safe pick, likely less radical and exciting than Bernie himself. Not seeing it happen that he's going to win, no way.

I can't see Gillibrand or Harris winning the crucial states that Trump won, with their urban background.

Joe Biden's running the polls it seems, even though he hasn't declared yet. Biden with a more left-wing VP could work I think, if he chooses to declare (though just as with Bernie, the dude's one foot in the grave). Realistically it'll just be two safe picks from the Dems, with one of them to appeal to minority voters.

Ideally I'd see a young, virile, idealistic Dem nomination. But the odds of that happening...


Yang/Gabbard or Gabbard/Yang 2020 is ideal in my opinion.
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