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Mar 2 2024 12:06pm
Quote (ferdia @ 2 Mar 2024 10:54)
i would not expect US forces in Ukraine to be shooting. i would expect them to be directing. Thats my read on the situation anyway.

tbh re: rules of war i dont think it will make the headlines here, the shit happening in Israel is all the focus from western media (european anyway).


Agreed, on the flipside, that US forces are there at all is a problem, as the interests of the US Public are not served.

Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Mar 2024 10:52)
Ukrainian propaganda sources just did a big push claiming Russia is violating the rules of war because of the Russian Red Cross operating in the LPR/DPR/Crimea, saying that only the international red cross is supposed to operate in war zones and the RRS doesn't have permission from Ukraine as a host country to operate in its borders. Because they still lay claim to territories they clearly don't hold, and Russia properly uses the civilian RRS within its own territories and the international red cross on the actual front lines. That's what happens when we get into the weeds of arguments premised in quibbles over territory that doesn't reflect reality. The front lines are pretty obvious on maps, and Russia no more holds all the Donbas than Ukraine does.


So humanitarian aid can only be provided by the people attacking the Donbas Republics and Russia? That's neat.

You've missed the point, I suspect.
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NY Times admit U.S proxy war started in 2014..
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In the Sumy region, Ukraine, a man refused mobilization due to caring for his minor wife. And it worked. Democracy prevails.

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What is going on in Avdiivka with Ukraines 47th brigade ambushing Russian BMP's with Bradleys?

Another full APC chopped up by the Bradleys bushmaster in a matter of days. They don't learn or what? Insane.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2024 12:51pm)
What is going on in Avdiivka with Ukraines 47th brigade ambushing Russian BMP's with Bradleys?

Another full APC chopped up by the Bradleys bushmaster in a matter of days. They don't learn or what? Insane.


Both sides have some videos in the past week of armor charging pointlessly into fire unescorted and getting shredded. I'd say its a product of the front lines being chaotic and disorganized, it didn't make sense when Ukraine did it at Robotyne, it doesn't make sense when Russia does it at Avdeevka. Its probably just bad command due to bad intel.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 2 2024 06:53pm)
Both sides have some videos in the past week of armor charging pointlessly into fire unescorted and getting shredded. I'd say its a product of the front lines being chaotic and disorganized, it didn't make sense when Ukraine did it at Robotyne, it doesn't make sense when Russia does it at Avdeevka. Its probably just bad command due to bad intel.


What do you make of the volume of Russian fast jets going down this past 2 weeks? Russians taking more risks to gain air superiority?
Ukraine taking more risks with patriots to gain air denial?

A combination of both?


"Already in February, from 17 to 29 February, Ukrainian forces managed to destroy 13 aircraft:
Reportedly:

💥17 February - two Su-34 and one Su-35;
💥18 February - one Su-34;
💥19 February - one Su-34 and one Su-35S;
💥21 February - one Su-34;
💥23 February - one A-50 UAV;
💥27 February - two Su-34;
💥29 February - three Su-34."
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2024 12:57pm)
What do you make of the volume of Russian fast jets going down this past 2 weeks? Russians taking more risks to gain air superiority?
Ukraine taking more risks with patriots to gain air denial?

A combination of both?


"Already in February, from 17 to 29 February, Ukrainian forces managed to destroy 13 aircraft:
Reportedly:

💥17 February - two Su-34 and one Su-35;
💥18 February - one Su-34;
💥19 February - one Su-34 and one Su-35S;
💥21 February - one Su-34;
💥23 February - one A-50 UAV;
💥27 February - two Su-34;
💥29 February - three Su-34."


I take it with a grain of salt when AFU's telegram channel posted a video claiming to be a downed SU-34 on March 1st, when the video was already on the internet a week earlier. It showed a patch of burning grass, and geolocation shows that crops were burning in that area all last week in either controlled or uncontrolled burns but not from crashed aircraft unless an SU-34 crashed into the same patch of grass every day for a week multiple times per day.


Its the fog of war, whether Russia makes claims or Ukraine makes claims, I'm always skeptical of anything for which there isn't independently verifiable evidence. Ghost of Kiev and all

Its probable that Ukraine is shooting down more aircraft, but has done so by moving up their anti-air systems and that's why I'm also seeing a huge uptick in videos of AA systems being blown up by Russia. Basically they responded to the Russian advance by trying to interrupt their air cover but its coming at a heavy cost to the defenses that are supposedly in very short supply.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 2 Mar 2024 11:57)
What do you make of the volume of Russian fast jets going down this past 2 weeks? Russians taking more risks to gain air superiority?
Ukraine taking more risks with patriots to gain air denial?

A combination of both?


"Already in February, from 17 to 29 February, Ukrainian forces managed to destroy 13 aircraft:
Reportedly:

💥17 February - two Su-34 and one Su-35;
💥18 February - one Su-34;
💥19 February - one Su-34 and one Su-35S;
💥21 February - one Su-34;
💥23 February - one A-50 UAV;
💥27 February - two Su-34;
💥29 February - three Su-34."


Training accidents. Legitimately. Gotta get your newbies some experience somehow.
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Mar 2 2024 01:08pm
also I'd like to see some geolocations to compare where AA was before this last week and where the AA destroyed and aircraft destroyed are being reported now
the S300 destroyed today was about 25 miles being the front lines, and hit by a medium range missile from Russia, not sure if airlaunched or rocket launcher system.
Hard to tell where if any SU-34 shootdowns actually were, I think there's at least 3 being confirmable but the rest are suspect, I don't see geolocations
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2024 07:57pm)
What do you make of the volume of Russian fast jets going down this past 2 weeks? Russians taking more risks to gain air superiority?
Ukraine taking more risks with patriots to gain air denial?

A combination of both?


"Already in February, from 17 to 29 February, Ukrainian forces managed to destroy 13 aircraft:
Reportedly:

💥17 February - two Su-34 and one Su-35;
💥18 February - one Su-34;
💥19 February - one Su-34 and one Su-35S;
💥21 February - one Su-34;
💥23 February - one A-50 UAV;
💥27 February - two Su-34;
💥29 February - three Su-34."


Russians are getting fucked it's crazy.
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