Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 28 2024 12:39pm)
Ah. So as NATO stockpiles weapons on Russia's borders, Russia is supposed to disarm and just hope that they aren't attacked based on a "trust me bro" promise?
At what point does it become unreasonable for a sovereign nation to listen to the edicts of other nations, exactly? The US isn't located on the same continent, the US stockpiles weapons, and the US is actively making itself a threat.
But it's Russia's fault. Always Russia's fault. How? Dunno. The US can involve itself directly in violent coups that overthrow the democratically elected governments in places like Ukraine, then use the nation as a proxy state for open warfare vs Russia, but omg, Russia should stop stockpiling weapons otherwise THEY are the threat. From a continent away. Pfft.
Hopefully the US war of aggression against Russia will either end soon, or at least our Congress can openly declare ware. Be nice to have what we've done be publicly acknowledged before the nukes fly, I guess.
firstly, for context, i always operate under the premise of "usa = bad, russia = worse".
we violently coup dictators, they supply weapons to dictators. we silence journalists, they kill journalists. etc.
but to answer your question, 1992 or 1993 was the time. after Gorbachev said no mas that was the time to transition from the status quo if they wanted to change the relationship with the USA.
instead they all took off hammer and sickle hats, turned USSR proper into "independent states" they still largely controlled via proxies, and expected the world to look at them like something entirely new. when in reality as i said before it was a corporate restructuring.
they never stopped being a weapons czar, and worse yet shipped weapons world wide to free up cash. it was a firesale.
i'd view Clinton's actions as unwise and ill-advised. i wouldnt have done the same. but let's not pretend that Russia was on the precipice of reform had the USA not encroached on their border via NATO. they weren't 10 or even 50 years away from improving and demilitarizing. they have a GPD roughly the size of Italy and they're the #2 weapons manufacturer worldwide, they're bought in too deeply and that was never going to change.
so we have a nation which makes the 2nd most weapons worldwide, and sells them to anyone the USA wont. so any terrorist organization or dictator worldwide gets their weapons from Russia or a Russian proxy. but hey, totally not a threat worthy of the west defending itself against via NATO.
to be clear im not even pro-NATO, its just that the anti-NATO logic via russia in context doesnt track. a threat is a threat whether i think it should be guarded against or not.
and straight from Putin at the start of this war he said he feared a preemptive strike against Russia, and that's why he invaded Ukraine. lol wtf is even that? now Biden is gonna nuke Moscow so he invades Ukraine?
This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 28 2024 12:54pm