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Feb 21 2024 09:37am
Quote (ferdia @ 21 Feb 2024 07:56)
If Russia is not going to invade all of Ukraine then the obvious answer is a settlement, and not an outright victory for either side. The definition of Ukraine winning the war is also vague, presumably it means reclaiming all of Ukraine + Crimea.


Why would Russia settle with anything less than their stated objectives? Ukraine out of the Republics and Crimea entirely, and Kiev agreeing never to join NATO.

Ukraine has no leverage. Russia can keep it up for decades. Their production is growing stronger, not weaker. Their alliances with China and India are providing enough of what they lack to improve production even further.

It's no longer in Russia's interest to say anything other than "Take our terms or die."
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Why would Russia settle with anything less than their stated objectives? Ukraine out of the Republics and Crimea entirely, and Kiev agreeing never to join NATO.

Ukraine has no leverage. Russia can keep it up for decades. Their production is growing stronger, not weaker. Their alliances with China and India are providing enough of what they lack to improve production even further.

It's no longer in Russia's interest to say anything other than "Take our terms or die."


Russia has only been doing this on their terms from the very beginning. That said their ultimate goal is to destroy Ukraine and its identity, nothing else.
To be precise it's not Russia's people that want to destroy Ukraine but Putin and some of his fellow friends.

Also their alliances reach way further than just China and India. Basically any state which has been falling from grace with the western alliance.
Among those are mostly despot and autocratic states.
Russia is being delivered technique to do precise strikes with their missiles, which they don't produce to this day.
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Quote (zorzin @ Feb 21 2024 02:19pm)


Breaking news a majority of conflicts result in settlement and most people understand that.

Really ground breaking stuff.
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Feb 21 2024 01:22pm
DUBAI, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Iran has provided Russia with a large number of powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, six sources told Reuters, deepening the military cooperation between the two U.S.-sanctioned countries.
Iran's provision of around 400 missiles includes many from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons, such as the Zolfaghar, three Iranian sources said. This road-mobile missile is capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles), experts say.

Iran said in November it had finalised arrangements for Russia to provide it with Su-35 fighter jets, Mi-28 attack helicopters and Yak-130 pilot training aircraft.

"The relationship is transactional: in exchange for drones, Iran expects more security cooperation and advanced weaponry, particularly modern aircraft," he said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-sends-russia-hundreds-ballistic-missiles-sources-say-2024-02-21/
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Quote (zorzin @ Feb 21 2024 06:19am)


The numbers of this shows what countries have the most propaganda ? So Poland, Sweden , and Portugal have the most 1 sided news media?
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The numbers of this shows what countries have the most propaganda ? So Poland, Sweden , and Portugal have the most 1 sided news media?


Poland is on the doorstep, so is Sweden, not sure what the numbers for Portugal come from. The closer you get to a conflict the more vested interest / sentiment.

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Poland is on the doorstep, so is Sweden, not sure what the numbers for Portugal come from. The closer you get to a conflict the more vested interest / sentiment.


So they do not really understand the question? Or they actually think Ukraine could win more then other people do for no reason but close to conflict ? When I presuming it their media and influence they under... Because humans are easily led to believe whatever ...
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Quote (Gala @ 21 Feb 2024 08:53)
Russia has only been doing this on their terms from the very beginning. That said their ultimate goal is to destroy Ukraine and its identity, nothing else.
To be precise it's not Russia's people that want to destroy Ukraine but Putin and some of his fellow friends.

Also their alliances reach way further than just China and India. Basically any state which has been falling from grace with the western alliance.
Among those are mostly despot and autocratic states.
Russia is being delivered technique to do precise strikes with their missiles, which they don't produce to this day.


Russia stated their objectives from day one. They continue to maintain their objectives. Why would I believe your opinions regarding the objectives of a nation you view as enemy rather than their stated objectives?

As to the India/China portion, you've failed to understand the point. The #1 failing in Russia's supply chain caused by all the sanctions is in tech. While the tech they receive from China and India is somewhat cheap garbage, it's good enough to get the job done, given ample replacements, until the Russians can ramp up their own tech production industry.

Far from "weakening" Russia militarily, what cutting Russia off from Western Economies has truly accomplished is to expose the weaknesses that 30 years of relative peace have created in their in-house production capacities. And those are weaknesses they have spent the last 2 years learning and correcting. Far from ending weaker than they began, Russia will be far stronger, and more self-sufficient than ever.

If you truly believe Russia is your enemy, the entire conflict is a pure and unmitigated disaster.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 21 2024 07:07pm
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well worth listening to.

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