Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Apr 2022 00:22)

Also, small children being separated from their parents and the pets of infected being clubbed to death if there's no neighbors to take care of them.
Remember folks, China's totalitarian ZeroCovid-dystopia was also the approach that most of the Western virologists, epidemiologists, modellers and public health experts preferred and tried to push for.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Apr 2022 18:22)

Also, small children being separated from their parents and the pets of infected being clubbed to death if there's no neighbors to take care of them.
Remember folks, China's totalitarian ZeroCovid-dystopia was also the approach that most of the Western virologists, epidemiologists, modellers and public health experts preferred and pushed for.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 9 2022 11:18am)

Do you think at this moment Russia have shown their military incompetence to a point that nobody thinks they are a threat apart from their Nuclear Arsenal?
Also I don't think Russia's military hardware are too far off technologically speak as compared to the USA. But I do think that it is either very badly maintained or the end users are not well versed or trained enough in this current situation.

Quote (Santara @ 10 Apr 2022 00:30)

They're certainly still a threat to do major damage, but considering the poor state of maintenance and training, as well as the widespread use of conscripts (who make generally poor soldiers), they're not a real threat to overrun a NATO army.
The last time top-of-the-line US and Russian hardware went head to head was the first Iraq war, and US armored and cavalry formations easily dealt crippling blows on a well-trained Iraqi army. But yes, it's becoming apparent that training and maintenance are serious concerns for the kleptocratic regime in Moscow.

Quote (Santara @ 9 Apr 2022 18:30)

They're certainly still a threat to do major damage, but considering the poor state of maintenance and training, as well as the widespread use of conscripts (who make generally poor soldiers), they're not a real threat to overrun a NATO army.
The last time top-of-the-line US and Russian hardware went head to head was the first Iraq war, and US armored and cavalry formations easily dealt crippling blows on a well-trained Iraqi army. But yes, it's becoming apparent that training and maintenance are serious concerns for the kleptocratic regime in Moscow.

Quote (fender @ Apr 9 2022 05:21pm)

the only problem with that little narrative of yours is that it's completely made up, and your post history proves you a liar. we were having a completely on-topic discussion when you ran out of arguments and started calling me names without ANY provocation on my part: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=608073015

so don't be a hypocrite, "defend" me from YOUR "harassment" and simply stfu about me - i can't force you to stop the lazy bothsidesisms, i can't force you to put things into perspective, i can't force you to be honest or debate anyone - but i can call out your toxic behaviour and hypocrisy, your constant personal insults and double standards. be the person you want others to be.

Quote (fender @ Mar 7 2022 01:46am)

putin bot uses false equivalence. it's not very effective.

Quote (fender @ Mar 7 2022 09:57am)

shut up, ampootin.

Quote (fender @ Mar 7 2022 11:03am)

shut up, ampootin. you've been regurgitating russian propaganda narratives for weeks now. stop being a useful idiot for a dictator if you can...

Quote (fender @ Mar 11 2022 12:15pm)

...don't give me that exaggerated alarmist slippery slope bs.

Quote (fender @ Mar 11 2022 02:27pm)

i don't mind disagreeing if both sides present good faith arguments in an honest way and simply come to different conclusions / have different priorities. i don't think that was the case though, and i don't like it as a cop out.

Quote (fender @ Mar 14 2022 11:01am)

who are those people 'demanding an escalation'? millions of "lefties" are taking to the streets, demonstrating for PEACE.

i mean, everybody knows how faux news npcs like yourself bought into the "russia will never attack, it's just western propaganda" narrative, how you kept shilling for putin and blaming "the west", so it isn't exactly surprising to see you still live in fantasy land, i'm just wondering what the mental gymnastics are behind this particular spin. maybe, no wait, most certainly you should just stfu about this whole war. you've been wrong about it every step along the way, so do everyone (including yourself) the favour and zip it, ampootin.

Quote (fender @ Mar 14 2022 11:07am)

from obvious lie straight into dodge. how unexpected. guess what, "nobody talked to you once again dipshit" actually applies to your own post, so maybe think of a different way to deflect from you lies, especially in a public discussion forum, lol. again, you've been wrong all along, so stop spreading your pootin propaganda here. just stfu, ampootin.

Quote (fender @ Mar 14 2022 12:40pm)

a wild straw man merchant appeared. what are you even on about? ukraine still isn't in the EU, no matter how often you repeat that uneducated claim, and i personally have repeatedly stated in this very forum that i was (and still am) against the EU's eastern expansions, including the likes of poland, hungary, romania, bulgaria... that obviously includes ukraine. i get that people are emotional right now, and tend to favour every conceivable way of protecting them against russian aggression, but the EU is first and foremost an economic / political union, not a military one - and ukraine would have been yet another massive financial sinkhole.

nothing you say here makes any sense. but hey, what can i expect from someone who thinks "casus belli" means "beautiful cause", lol...

#alternative facts

nice attempt to spin and lie yourself out of your propaganda history here, ampootin. while it's true that most people (that includes myself btw) considered an actual, full blown war as unlikely, that's not the issue here. the smarter people amongst us (to which you clearly do NOT belong) pointed out that the prolonged presence of a large russian military force strategically located around the ukrainian border was a serious and credible threat at the very least, and that pootin had made similar moves before (not just during his 2014 invasion of the same fucking country, but also in georgia, 2008).

meanwhile propaganda victims like yourself not only pushed the ridiculous "it's all a western conspiracy" narrative, but also uncritically repeated literally every single lie and misrepresentation coming out of the kremlin, performing the most ridiculous mental gymnastics in order to agree with pootin: your post acting like pootin's announcements to retreat some of the troops was PROOF of that, your (highly ironic, given your own political views and party) support of the "de-nazification of ukraine" narrative, are here for everyone to see, so your dishonest attempt to re-frame all of that as merely having said "it's unlikely", is some serious revisionist history.

again, do yourself a favour and just stfu, propaganda bot.

Quote (fender @ Mar 14 2022 01:57pm)

the same "logic" that claims women dressing nicely makes rape "inevitable" - it's factually wrong, morally reprehensible, and outright stupid.

if anything, russia's history of aggression towards its neighbours makes their looking for protection "inevitable", you're putting the cart before the horse there...

Quote (fender @ Mar 14 2022 02:13pm)

learn to read:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=607000705

i understand the origins, but unlike you, i'm able to distinguish between actual motivations and the propaganda trying to justify them. that's why i reject your uncritical acceptance of the moronic "inevitability" narrative. it's the same idiotic logic as blaming rape victims. ukraine looking for protection is not only perfectly within their rights, but also a direct consequence of russian aggression. you pretending like it's an unnecessary provocation that makes russia's invasion "inevitable" is nothing but propaganda. context matters. history matters. again, you're putting the cart before the horse in order to rationalise russian war-mongering.

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i see someone's still mad they got schooled on political philosophy, lol.

Quote (fender @ Mar 14 2022 03:48pm)

that ferdi npc still not understanding how opinion is something different from propaganda just shows how close-minded and brainwashed he is. ferdi can't separate narrative from facts. acknowledging that russia / pootin have been concerned with nato expansion is one thing, buying into the narrative that therefore an invasion is "inevitable" is a whole different thing, and it's dumb.

a reasonable difference of opinion could be had about the seriousness of russia's "concern", if you actually believe they genuinely think nato would ever invade them, or if they simply regard former soviet territory theirs and cite bogus concerns as justification to determine the destiny of those nations, even though they are sovereign nations with every right to apply for nato membership.
just brainlessly regurgitating kremlin rationales and lies and then clutch your pearls about different "oPiNiOnS!!1!" is laughable and deserves to be mocked.

i guess we will just have to accept ferdi cowardly posting his idiotic takes, including the half-assed backtracking when called out for the logical and factual inconsistencies they contain. i guess it's not an easy position when you want to appear at least borderline sane and human by "officially" condemning a military invasion, a full-blown war, thousands of murdered innocent people, unspeakable suffering, countless war crimes... and still try to find ways to blame the victims / other parties than the perpetrators at least partly for why that is happening.

so you admit that your reply made no sense? thanks for playing. also, lol @ NATO being "woke". that's almost as stupid as thinking casus belli means beautiful cause.

Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2022 03:01pm)

this "inevitable" war you mean? poor vladimir defending himself against evil NATO aggression you mean? because they sure left him no other option but invading his neighbours, committing countless war crimes, and murdering fellow slavs because they had the audacity to choose democracy over dictatorship? drop the good guy act, war apologist.

Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2022 04:23pm)

wrong. of course russia had different options, for example NOT invading and withdrawing the troops. what exactly do you think made that impossible? you repeatedly insisting they didn't have any option but start a war is why it's correct to call you a war apologist. even some of putin's generals were surprised he actually started a full blown war, invading the whole country. that wouldn't be the case if it really was "inevitable". it was a possibility, sure, i always acknowledged that, but it was far from the only option.

"russia is not expansionist"?! have you forgotten about 2014? 2008? restoring soviet glory to russia has been one of pootin's obsessions / promises ever since he first took office. you can't possibly be ignorant enough to not know that, lol. stop making excuses for the murdering war-mongerer.

Quote (Nibthebarb @ Apr 9 2022 06:46pm)

Fender is getting absolutely buttrailed :rofl:

Quote (SanduLungu @ Apr 9 2022 06:51pm)

he's an antifa, that is his life's calling. why do you think he likes blacks browns and muslims so much?