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Feb 19 2024 11:14am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 19 2024 02:41pm)
The fundamental misunderstanding of the western world is thinking they can break a country that has a lot of 'real' resources that the world absolutely needs. These aren't financial engineered goods and services but tangible things that make the world go round. You have billions in Asia that are thirsty to get some of the basic things we take for granted here in the west and many of those things need energy. We can't stop Indian, Chinese, Indonesian, etc. consumption or people wanting a car, bigger house, and so on, so it's an inherently losing battle to try sideline a huge energy exporter.

Real tangible things have inherent value, where as a lot of the things that make the western world so rich are based on derivative value or inflated through enormous amounts of leverage. 50 years from now, the world is still going to need Russian energy, food, metals, etc. where as the pieces of paper or zeros on screens that are just proxies for value for us, that are increasingly being debased through debt & inflation, may not.


I mean it happened already in 91 and the West wasn't even trying.
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Feb 19 2024 11:18am
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Yeah I think its the kind of story that tests whether someone has crossed a moral event horizon, on how they view it.
True partisans will cheer the deaths of the other side and view it as justified in all circumstances
normal folks will be given pause by the "betray your own mates and have them killed so you can escape service to your country and get your thirty pieces of silver"
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Feb 19 2024 12:07pm
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-avdiivka-losses-casualties-ukraine-soviet-union-afghanistan-war-1871177

"Russia's four-month offensive on the destroyed Donetsk town of Avdiivka, in eastern Ukraine, cost more lives than the 10 years of war Moscow waged under the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, new figures suggest.
About 17,000 Russian soldiers were killed between October 10, 2023, when Russia launched its assault on the Donetsk city, and February 17, 2024, said Dmytro Lykhovii, spokesperson for Ukraine's Tavria group of forces covering Avdiivka."
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Feb 19 2024 12:15pm
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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-avdiivka-losses-casualties-ukraine-soviet-union-afghanistan-war-1871177

"Russia's four-month offensive on the destroyed Donetsk town of Avdiivka, in eastern Ukraine, cost more lives than the 10 years of war Moscow waged under the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, new figures suggest.
About 17,000 Russian soldiers were killed between October 10, 2023, when Russia launched its assault on the Donetsk city, and February 17, 2024, said Dmytro Lykhovii, spokesperson for Ukraine's Tavria group of forces covering Avdiivka."


Very trustworthy and unbiased source :lol:
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Feb 19 2024 12:26pm
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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-avdiivka-losses-casualties-ukraine-soviet-union-afghanistan-war-1871177

"Russia's four-month offensive on the destroyed Donetsk town of Avdiivka, in eastern Ukraine, cost more lives than the 10 years of war Moscow waged under the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, new figures suggest.
About 17,000 Russian soldiers were killed between October 10, 2023, when Russia launched its assault on the Donetsk city, and February 17, 2024, said Dmytro Lykhovii, spokesperson for Ukraine's Tavria group of forces covering Avdiivka."


copium

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Feb 19 2024 12:48pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 19 2024 06:15pm)
Very trustworthy and unbiased source :lol:


Valid. Yet even half of that would number would be astounding losses for a "modern" military.

The sad truth is that parts of Russia are destitute enough that $2000 a month is worth throwing your life away for an autocrat.

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copium


6 fast jets in 3 days. Patriots being tested out quite well comrade ;)
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Feb 19 2024 01:05pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 19 2024 07:51pm)
6 fast jets in 3 days. Patriots being tested out quite well comrade ;)


ISO more copium :rofl:


Avdiivka fell to the Russians while Ukraine did everything they could to prevent it, Ukraine even threw it's elite neo-Nazi Azov brigade into the meatgrinder (and got chewed up)

Ukraine was defeated. Again. Defeated by poorly led poorly equipped shovel guys that were out of missiles / ammo / suffering from low morale and so on

No wonder you're massively coping I get it ;)
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Feb 19 2024 01:07pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 19 Feb 2024 20:08)
The russian helicopter pilot who defected and took a MI8 helicopter with him last year, was assassinated in spain this week.



Putin is ever so dutiful


/e if you don't remember the circumstances of his defection: He not only hijacked the MI8 and flew it to Ukraine, he betrayed his two crewmembers and got them murdered once they landed
Kinda surprising a guy with this big of a target on his back wasn't under special precautions


Suspiciously fast confirmed by GUR, but rejected by the source.
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Feb 19 2024 01:14pm
Quote (Djunior @ 19 Feb 2024 20:05)
ISO more copium :rofl:


Avdiivka fell to the Russians while Ukraine did everything they could to prevent it, Ukraine even threw it's elite neo-Nazi Azov brigade into the meatgrinder (and got chewed up)

Ukraine was defeated. Again. Defeated by poorly led poorly equipped shovel guys that were out of missiles / ammo / suffering from low morale and so on

No wonder you're massively coping I get it ;)


Avdiivka was located in a salient, it had been surrounded by Russian territory on three sides since before the invasion. Ukraine was never gonna hold that place in the long run.
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