Why does it take research in order to figure out Ukraine is run by Nazis?

Russia is run by imperialist thugs. You know how I know? The leader's actions and words in public. The other members of the regime's words in public. The Russian media clips. It's obvious... that's what they are.

But Ukraine is run by Nazis, despite the world-famous and loved Jewish president, despite his actions and words showing otherwise, because... ? You can't even explain it, you have to refer to Goom. Pathetic.

Honestly I don't really do nuance when it comes to Nazis. I guess my nuance would be, pickled, fried, stuffed, baked, rotisseried or pressure cooked?

Can you point out who is who in these pics? I can't easily identify these people.



Andrii Biletsky hasn't been a member of Parliament since 2019, because his political party is so unpopular.

The National Corps political party:


In other words, the party you list is so irrelevant that they couldn't gain even one seat in parliament. Yet the Ukrainians are "Nazis". What a fucking joke.



It's unclear if this has been established, I can answer the question after it has been.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 17 2024 06:08pm

Maybe the nuance should be in discerning who actually is a Nazi, and not pretending a rogue regiment in the Ukrainian military represents the whole country/government/military?

You see how these talking points fall apart with just a little bit of scrutiny? Goom's shtick only works for people who want to believe what he says.

"Rogue regiment"? Biletsky is the commander of the forces who were fighting at Avdiivka, yesterday. Not in 2019, not in 2014
The same guy who leads the Nazi party and talks about stomping out the world jewry is part of the top brass, the government and military.

During the Maidan, they led the revolution on the streets and were the decisive force in escalating it beyond a street protest. Now they're such a powerful force in the country politically that as soon as Zelensky's regime showed cracks and Zaluzhnyi became a political competitor, the very first thing he did was a photo op with Nazi leadership. Which he's done many times in the past. Here's a direct link btw, he just posted it two weeks ago;
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6792963534146905&id=100002999784832&mibextid=qi2Omg

The guy he's posing with is Andriy Stempitsky, leader of the paramilitary arm of the Right Sector neo-nazi group in Ukraine, the same ones from the Maidan. Do you know what they were doing during the protests? Handing out translated copies of Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They are turbo nazis, who wanted to be so over the top in their nazism that you can't possibly deny that they're nazis all these years later. I mean shit, I may be a civil libertarian but it doesn't mean I have to carry my pocket constitution everywhere I go, I stash it in my glovebox.
Here's Haaretz reporting on them;
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2014-02-25/ty-article/.premium/ukraine-jews-new-dilemma/0000017f-f603-d044-adff-f7fb24ad0000
https://archive.is/R7kdf



Of course he's not just sitting merrily next to a nazi leader, they're under a framed portrait of Stepan Bandera, the idolized Nazi collaborator of WW2, and a OUN-UPA death-flag of the WW2 Nazi collaborators
So that's the #1 military leader in Ukraine courting the Nazi support, in case he needs to challenge Zelensky politically. And with Ukraine being routed and the money hose running dry that's a very real potential for the country to implode and the Nazis to overthrow the regime (again)

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 17 2024 06:41pm

And I just want to make sure we're not keeping a double standard here

If Donald Trump went on Truth Social and uploaded a series of pictures of him posing with Martin Kerr and Rocky Suhayda, leaders of the formal American Nazi Parties, under a big ol framed portrait of George Lincoln Rockwell, while wearing a bracelet made of swastikas and in front of a big Nazi flag, would the apologentisia be out in force to talk about how Nazis are unpopular and don't hold many seats in congress and Trump has a jewish son-in-law? If Donald Trump appointed overt Nazis to act as his deputies and officers and they tried to pass laws to adapt the nuremberg protocols for our time and ban miscegeny again, would we be handwaving it as just a small facet of the beautiful cornucopia of political landscape in america?

What would we say if Donald Trump had lunch with a notorious anti-Semite and a famous musician who recently expressed anti-Semitic ideas? Who could say.

also I want to circle back on that Haaretz report I linked because this is the delicious part;



That's Neo-Nazi leader Oleh Tyahnybok, who has been quoted as saying he ran in politics to oppose the "Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling Ukraine" and talked about how OUN-UPA as "They were not afraid and we should not be afraid. They took their automatic guns on their necks and went into the woods, and fought against the Muscovites, Germans, Jews and other scum who wanted to take away our Ukrainian state." And in 2004 he wrote an open letter to the Ukrainian government calling for "an end to the criminal activities of Ukrainian Jewry", and called for an investigation into the country's jews in 2005, and ran in several elections from 2004 to 2014, winning a seat in parliament. One of his politcy proposals was to add an "ethnicity" section to Ukrainian passports to track the travel of jews.

Why am I bringing up Oleh Tyahnybok? He actually didn't get the appointed minister position he wanted, but this is what he got, a photo op with John Kerry and Joe Biden. Yes, that's Joe Biden smiling and shaking hands with a Nazi before he decided to send heavy weaponry to Nazis in Ukraine
"whoops"

oh damn I think I already accidentally retorted to that fittingly