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Feb 17 2024 04:29pm
Are you guys still going on about this?

Again, I'm asking the question: What's worse, a pedophile or a nazi?
Western media has been interviewing and citing a lot of nazis recently, quoting nazis as experts on the front lines. I don't see the same standard being upheld, so here we have to start comparing nazis to pedophiles to see if one deserves our understanding and the other doesn't

Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 03:24pm)
Ukraine wasn't on a real path to join NATO though. The conflict was static in the minds of Westerners, there was no great political movement for Ukraine to join NATO.

Ukraine was breaking away in the sense of moving more towards Western economic ties, and perhaps that was enough for Putin to decide to bring Ukraine back into his vision of a great imperialist Russia, but Ukraine joining NATO is different than that.


How would you define Ukraine breaking away to move towards western economic ties?
The people of the country voted for Yanukovych in a free and fair election, and he rejected that EU association agreement.
The majority of Ukrainians still sided with Russia as opposed to the EU, but a radical minority in the east was militant enough to protest over it
And when they overthrew the government, the mob just so happened to be led by actual Nazis, the same ones who just got routed in avdiivka today
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Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 02:51pm)
Biden's been in public life for over 50 years and he's never faced a serious accusation of sexual misconduct, unlike Scott Ritter and Donald Trump.


You mean aside from the woman who provably worked for Joe Biden and was in close contact with him, who said Joe Biden molested her and was able to produce a contemporary recording of her mother discussing the allegation with a third party, substantial evidence backing up her claim, as well as evidence of her being retaliated against at her job because of it.

Meanwhile Donald Trump was brought to civil trial by a feminist columnist who had no evidence whatsoever to back up her vague claim, did not even narrow down a year let alone date she thinks it happened, with a story about how a guy who was dating a revolving cast of supermodels who all vouched for him being a perfect gentleman, decided to violently rape a 50-something profoundly ugly skeletor. And New Yorkers definitely believed in court whatever story she settled on after adjusting for the contrary facts by the witnesses, after the judge played the pussy grabbing tape and wouldn't allow any mention of how she lied about having dna evidence on a dress that doesn't exist, or how her story was cribbed from an episode of law and order svu. But despite emails in which she talked with her friend about some conspiracy to 'do something to stop Trump'

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Feb 17 2024 04:44pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 03:51pm)
Biden's been in public life for over 50 years and he's never faced a serious accusation of sexual misconduct, unlike Scott Ritter and Donald Trump.


Joe Biden's wife died mysteriously in a car accident while he was cheating on her with his current wife.
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Feb 17 2024 05:07pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 17 2024 02:29pm)
How would you define Ukraine breaking away to move towards western economic ties?
The people of the country voted for Yanukovych in a free and fair election, and he rejected that EU association agreement.
The majority of Ukrainians still sided with Russia as opposed to the EU, but a radical minority in the east was militant enough to protest over it
And when they overthrew the government, the mob just so happened to be led by actual Nazis, the same ones who just got routed in avdiivka today


I guess not every Trump nutter has the same narrative for why Putin invaded Ukraine. This one is at least closer to the propaganda from the Russians, the whole "denazification" narrative, unlike the NATO expansion narrative, which isn't as prominent.

Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 17 2024 02:39pm)
You mean aside from the woman who provably worked for Joe Biden and was in close contact with him, who said Joe Biden molested her and was able to produce a contemporary recording of her mother discussing the allegation with a third party, substantial evidence backing up her claim, as well as evidence of her being retaliated against at her job because of it.

Meanwhile Donald Trump was brought to civil trial by a feminist columnist who had no evidence whatsoever to back up her vague claim, did not even narrow down a year let alone date she thinks it happened, with a story about how a guy who was dating a revolving cast of supermodels who all vouched for him being a perfect gentleman, decided to violently rape a 50-something profoundly ugly skeletor. And New Yorkers definitely believed in court whatever story she settled on after adjusting for the contrary facts by the witnesses, after the judge played the pussy grabbing tape and wouldn't allow any mention of how she lied about having dna evidence on a dress that doesn't exist, or how her story was cribbed from an episode of law and order svu. But despite emails in which she talked with her friend about some conspiracy to 'do something to stop Trump'


Yes, just shy of 50 years in public life Biden faced a real claim of sexual misconduct, but ultimately it wasn't persuasive and, interestingly enough, the woman moved to Russia. Lmao.
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I guess not every Trump nutter has the same narrative for why Putin invaded Ukraine. This one is at least closer to the propaganda from the Russians, the whole "denazification" narrative, unlike the NATO expansion narrative, which isn't as prominent.



Yes, just shy of 50 years in public life Biden faced a real claim of sexual misconduct, but ultimately it wasn't persuasive and, interestingly enough, the woman moved to Russia. Lmao.


yep and his really smart son got a really good job with lots of money through sheer talent. i mean come on. this is all deflecting but seriously, nazi's vs pedo's. pick one. at least with scott ritter we can all agree on his history, yet not a peep out of you re: ukrainian nazi's. mind boggling.
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Quote (ferdia @ Feb 17 2024 03:11pm)
yep and his really smart son got a really good job with lots of money through sheer talent. i mean come on. this is all deflecting but seriously, nazi's vs pedo's. pick one. at least with scott ritter we can all agree on his history, yet not a peep out of you re: ukrainian nazi's. mind boggling.


The Ukrainian president is a Jew so I don't even understand the Nazi talking point. The argument is that there's elements of the Ukrainian government/military who are Nazis, therefore, the Ukrainian government is run by Nazis, even though the president is a Jew?

In the aftermath of October 7th the Ukrainian president called for solidarity with Israel.

How am I supposed to view this talking point other than bad faith bullshit from people hostile to Ukraine and sympathetic to Russia?
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Feb 17 2024 05:32pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 05:07pm)
I guess not every Trump nutter has the same narrative for why Putin invaded Ukraine. This one is at least closer to the propaganda from the Russians, the whole "denazification" narrative, unlike the NATO expansion narrative, which isn't as prominent.


Yes, just shy of 50 years in public life Biden faced a real claim of sexual misconduct, but ultimately it wasn't persuasive and, interestingly enough, the woman moved to Russia. Lmao.[/QUOTE]

Biden, Zelensky and Putin are all alike in they've locked up and/or murdered a whole lot of people who politically disagreed with them, or journalists who exposed their misdeeds / contradicted their propaganda.
She already got retaliated against and had her life destroyed by Biden when Biden was much less powerful, and when she went public the entire MSM started circling the wagons and going on the attack against her. She had pretty good reason to move to Russia or decent chance she'd be sharing a cell in the Jan 6th wing, or with Navarro, or Bannon, or Cohen, or the Burisma whistleblower, or Gonzolo Lira's corpse.

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Biden, Zelensky and Putin are all alike in they've locked up and/or murdered a whole lot of people who politically disagreed with them, or journalists who exposed their misdeeds / contradicted their propaganda.
She already got retaliated against and had her life destroyed by Biden when Biden was much less powerful, and when she went public the entire MSM started circling the wagons and going on the attack against her. She had pretty good reason to move to Russia or decent chance she'd be sharing a cell in the Jan 6th wing, or with Navarro, or Bannon, or Cohen, or the Burisma whistleblower, or Gonzolo Lira's corpse.


You know you're supposed to get wiser with age, right? The Tucker Carlson shtick is silly.
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Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 11:23pm)
The Ukrainian president is a Jew so I don't even understand the Nazi talking point. The argument is that there's elements of the Ukrainian government/military who are Nazis, therefore, the Ukrainian government is run by Nazis, even though the president is a Jew?

In the aftermath of October 7th the Ukrainian president called for solidarity with Israel.

How am I supposed to view this talking point other than bad faith bullshit from people hostile to Ukraine and sympathetic to Russia?


The world we live in is not black and white, its an infinite shade of grey. If you dont understand the Nazi talking point there are multiple sources that we can point to (or you can just google) that highlight this issue. your far better at providing nuanced responses then me. Can you, briefly, touch on the historic issues in Ukraine, the problems Zelensky faced in appeasing this crowd and the US terror list / removed etc. ?
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Feb 17 2024 05:42pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 17 2024 05:23pm)
The Ukrainian president is a Jew so I don't even understand the Nazi talking point. The argument is that there's elements of the Ukrainian government/military who are Nazis, therefore, the Ukrainian government is run by Nazis, even though the president is a Jew?

In the aftermath of October 7th the Ukrainian president called for solidarity with Israel.

How am I supposed to view this talking point other than bad faith bullshit from people hostile to Ukraine and sympathetic to Russia?


Below are some pictures of the top military leader of the Ukrainian forces, guess who he loves to pose with.
I'd also love to point you to how the New York Times was just interviewing Andrii Biletsky about his command of the 3rd brigade at Avdiivka;
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/ukraine-war-avdiivka-russia.html
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Soldiers from the elite Third Assault Brigade were sent in to shore up Ukraine’s forces but noted that they were being sent into a situation that was already “extremely critical.”
“Avdiivka is hell,” the brigade’s commander, Andrii Biletskyi, said in a statement. The situation in the city was “ precarious and unstable,” he said, with the Russians able to rotate troops and deploy more resources to the fight.
“We are forced to fight 360 degrees against new brigades that the enemy is deploying,” he said.


Here are some random assorted quotations from Andrii Biletsky, commander of the 3rd Assault Brigade and also founder of the Ukrainian National Socialist party, the Azov Battalion, a member of Parliament and leader of the National Corps political party:

"the Ukrainian nation's mission is to lead the white races of the world in a final crusade...against Semite-led Untermenschen"
"How then can we describe our enemy? The general regime in power are oligarchs. Is there anything they have in common? Yes, one thing in common – they are Jews, or their true bosses – Jews – are behind them. Out of one hundred published richest people in Ukraine 92 are Jews, and some others of Tatar origin"
The picture below Zaluzhny's photo ops with the neo-Nazis is Biletsky himself LARPing his SS best, around the time he proposed a bill in parliament to ban race mixing.




If the top brass of the American military were either affiliated with, supporting and supported by Nazis, or overt Nazis themselves, would you say we had a Nazi problem?
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