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Apr 9 2022 09:13am
so poland's fear of russia: nah, totally unrealistic, because they are in nato
russia's alleged fear of nato: totally something we should take seriously and use as excuse for their war of aggression against their neighbour

also, why could ukraine POSSIBLY want to join nato then?

pootin apologists really committing to the clown makeup...
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Apr 9 2022 09:14am
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Only because Trump was following beneficial to Putin policies like pursuing the exit of the US to NATO, which is worth waiting for. Trump didn't do anything about the bounties for American soldiers that Russia was paying out. Trump gave all American infrastructure in Syria to Putin. Trump was impeached for denying military aid to Ukraine just a few years ago.

So to Putin it is worth waiting to see how far their asset got in giving him the Soviet Union territories back. He had a lot riding on Trump.

Imagine if Trump was successful in denying aid to Ukraine and exiting NATO? Are this point Poland is back on the menu, etc.

Now Russia is running out of friends. Its going to get harder for China to continue enabling them with all these war crimes being broadcast everywhere.

Also how much actual does Russia have? Their generals get paid in rubles and drive Ferrari's, because they sell their fuel. Now they're running out all over ukraine and the generals are looking nervous.

And if you don't think Trump is a Russian asset, then try to imagine how he would act any different if he was? He just asked Putin for help against the leader of the US again.


I am not well informed for the first part in regards to whether Trump is really a Russian asset.

But I can give you some insight from my part of the world.
It is not only China that will be aiding Russia when all this goes down.
India will as well.

A combined population of almost half the world population between India and China will keep Russia afloat. At least that is what some Taiwanese media are discussing.
Not to mention some countries in South East Asia.

i.e Malaysia, Vietnam, indonesia, Cambodia and Philipines will continue some sort of trade with Russia.
The only country that is sanctioning Russia in a way is my country Singapore.

So they will survive pretty well. And in the case of Taiwan they will really need the energy resources, if Venezuela doesn't want to deal with the USA. And USA needs to provide that amount of resources to Europe. It might really look very bad in the end.
Taiwan might just end up going to China without a fight since USA is not pivoting East anymore , because they need to take care of their NATO allies.

This is what some Taiwanese media is saying as they are extremely concerned.
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Apr 9 2022 09:17am
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I am not well informed for the first part in regards to whether Trump is really a Russian asset.

But I can give you some insight from my part of the world.
It is not only China that will be aiding Russia when all this goes down.
India will as well.

A combined population of almost half the world population between India and China will keep Russia afloat. At least that is what some Taiwanese media are discussing.
Not to mention some countries in South East Asia.

i.e Malaysia, Vietnam, indonesia, Cambodia and Philipines will continue some sort of trade with Russia.
The only country that is sanctioning Russia in a way is my country Singapore.

So they will survive pretty well. And in the case of Taiwan they will really need the energy resources, if Venezuela doesn't want to deal with the USA. And USA needs to provide that amount of resources to Europe. It might really look very bad in the end.
Taiwan might just end up going to China without a fight since USA is not pivoting East anymore , because they need to take care of their NATO allies.

This is what some Taiwanese media is saying as they are extremely concerned.


My understanding regarding Taiwan is that where before China would back down when America came to "save the day" nowadays China is really not impressed. I dont think that doing anything in europe will affect American foreign policy or capability as related to Taiwan, but rather Chinese economic and military strength as well as their long term plans, will determine what, if anything, happens to Taiwan.

Reminder I am not using braincells on Fender. its a waste of time to try to reason or respond with someone as stupid and toxic as him, if anyone else wants to kill their brain cells attempting to reason with him, have at it. As a self proclaimed toxic troll (compared to everyone else in this thread that have not claimed this) I see no reason to be polite.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 9 2022 09:23am
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Apr 9 2022 09:19am
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so poland's fear of russia: nah, totally unrealistic, because they are in nato
russia's alleged fear of nato: totally something we should take seriously and use as excuse for their war of aggression against their neighbour

also, why could ukraine POSSIBLY want to join nato then?

pootin apologists really committing to the clown makeup...


I gathered some information from the media I have been watching recently and from how they deduced it , it kinda make sense but I am afraid if i convey their messages to you . You might think its conspiracy theory -_-
Mostly Taiwanese, India and Hong Kong Media and discussions.

I also look back at what some of the youtube videos of my Ex Prime minister Mr Lee Kuan Yew and what he said in youtube.
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My understanding regarding Taiwan is that where before China would back down when America came to "save the day" nowadays China is really not impressed. I dont think that doing anything in europe will affect American foreign policy or capability as related to Taiwan, but rather Chinese economic and military strength as well as their long term plans, will determine what, if anything, happens to Taiwan.

Reminder I am not using braincells on Fender. its a waste of time to try to reason or respond with someone as stupid and toxic as him, if anyone else wants to kill their brain cells attempting to reason with him, have at it.


Hey mate, you might need to turn on sub titles . But in regards to Taiwan situation. please have a look at this.

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Hey mate, you might need to turn on sub titles . But in regards to Taiwan situation. please have a look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_gr3dtBaic


for those of you too lazy to watch:

Q: Do you forsee a scenario where America will militarily intervene if China invades Taiwan
A: No.

interview was with the former prime minister of singapore.

basically its a view that I also hold.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 9 2022 09:37am
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for those of you too lazy to watch:

Q: Do you forsee a scenario where America will militarily intervene if China invades Taiwan
A: No.

interview was with the former prime minister of singapore.


Coming back to Ukraine.
The Taiwanese media that I have been following are saying that Putin might stop the invasion or at least declare victory on the 9th of May.
But there is also debate in that particular panel that Ukraine might make a counter attack if Putin stops the war.

Putin needs to have some sort of decisive victory so he can appease the people around him, if not they will make him step down.
And on the other end USA and some NATO partners do not want the war to stop so fast.

You have any insights from your side of the world ?
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for those of you too lazy to watch:

Q: Do you forsee a scenario where America will militarily intervene if China invades Taiwan
A: No.


Q: like how America totally didn't give ammunition and missiles to Ukraine?
A: you're wrong.

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Quote (ferdia @ 9 Apr 2022 17:17)
My understanding regarding Taiwan is that where before China would back down when America came to "save the day" nowadays China is really not impressed. I dont think that doing anything in europe will affect American foreign policy or capability as related to Taiwan, but rather Chinese economic and military strength as well as their long term plans, will determine what, if anything, happens to Taiwan.

Reminder I am not using braincells on Fender. its a waste of time to try to reason or respond with someone as stupid and toxic as him, if anyone else wants to kill their brain cells attempting to reason with him, have at it. As a self proclaimed toxic troll (compared to everyone else in this thread that have not claimed this) I see no reason to be polite.


it's amazing really, you repeatedly write posts ABOUT me, all of them containing insults ("piece of shit" / "trash" / "stupid" - which, btw, is a really "toxic" thing to do), but you couldn't manage to keep a discussion on-topic and had to resort to personal attacks. again, if you're afraid to debate me, just stfu about me. there's no need to just cowardly insult me every time you get triggered by a post of mine - while ironically complaining about "toxic" behaviour, lol.
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Apr 9 2022 09:42am
Quote (Mondain @ Apr 9 2022 04:38pm)
Q: like how America totally didn't give ammunition and missiles to Ukraine?
A: you're wrong.


was that question in the video? you know that video is years old right ? how is your statement related to anything ?

america did give ammunition and missles to ukraine. not sure what your trying to say at all.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 9 2022 09:42am
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