The way I figure it, murder is worse than torture is worse than rape. Society places too much emphasis on stigma over consequences, a pedophile raping a child isn't as bad as a serial killer cutting off her face and wearing it
All the pedophiles in the world combined could never rape as many children as the Nazis stuffed into ovens, and Nazis pose a more existential threat to the rest of society by their will to dominate on a global scale rather than an individual one
The individual pedophile might be more distasteful, but as a collective they don't organize politically or militarily. Even the most banal or charismatic or intellectual Nazis had enough blood on their hands to outweigh any amount of kiddy diddlers


Shit western culture has even come to debate whether criticizing the world's most famous and revered pedophile should be considered a hate crime and against the law in a few european countries for 'islamophobia'

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 17 2024 04:09am

It's so strange to me that you think you are at liberty to give me a lecture on rhetorics when you yourself just a few minutes ago tried to get a gotcha moment with an appeal to fallacy. Mind boggling, either way that's not what im here for.

" Invalidating him as a source on an unrelated charge does not invalidate the argument he is making." - Nobody has done that. We have quite literally, in this thread, been discussing if Ritter is an expert at all (which he is not). He does not claim to be and he has no experience with eastern european politics. He has a monetary and vested interest in Russian affairs as he is a paid state actor. If you want to talk about Assange and Snowden i'll gladly do that (one was paid 10k per speech by the Russian state, and the other one refused to leak documents related to Russia), but in another thread.

" but that does not invalidate his military knowledge and arguments he can make through his experience ." - Nobody has done that. Ritter is probably great at identifying SCUD missiles for some superpower. He is however not an expert on eastern europe (and has never claimed to be) and he is being paid by one actor in this conflict, these are the facts about Ritter.

well said.



this is quite nuanced.



for your statement to hold water you should have left out the pedo part. instead you included it, to support your claim that his insights are meaningless / worthless. you are doubling down when you are the one that brought this slur to the table. a better response would have been to simply provide a better source. if you provide a better source (video / link) I will be the first to say well done.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 17 2024 04:13am

Nobody has said he is a state actor. I used the word "was" which is past tense. Maybe you just need to read what i wrote again so you can actually understand it?

Do you agree that Scott Ritter, the same person you claim is not a shill, was in fact quite literally employed by the US government?

Yes, Ritter is a Russian state actor and was a US state actor. It's pretty common that grifters do this type of thing. Ritter had a career in the US until they found out that he was a kiddyfiddler, when he realized he was completely blackballed he instead went to Russia to shill for them. Such is life. This is the person you trust?



Im asking you if you disagee, it wasn't a statement. I also think its a little funny that you left out the part where i say "who got fired from his job in the US because of it", because it's pretty important to this context.
So you dont think that it is an important to the context that the same person who is now doing speeches for cash for the Russian state only started doing that after he lost his career in the US? You don't seem how that can be relevant to understanding Scott Ritters agency or motives when he makes his videos?

"which is a vague statement anyone and everyone can agree on, but is not as precise as Scott Ritter's assessment." - So i'll ask you again: Can you explain how Scott Ritters assessment is different from Putins explicit justifications?

This drivel has been addressed in this thread ad nauseum. No need to do so again simply because you weren't paying attention.



What exactly was wrong? Have the Russians gone further after 8 months? No. No they haven't. They ground Bakhmut into dust, and you Putin aficionados gushed over Russia's great victory. Except for the Pyrrhic part. The western MSM painted it as unimportant loss, and indeed 8 months on, Russia hasn't turned it into a cascade of dominos.

A source for what? What is being discussed here is if Scott Ritter is trustworthy as a source or not. He himself has never said he is an expert on eastern europe, you cant explain why his insights are any different than Putins explicit reasons, he is a russian state actor who is begrudged that he lost his job in the US because he got convicted of crimes against children. What is it you want a source on?

Read your own posts again, YOU called him a state actor and you didn't use past tense. Get outa here lol

lets try to find an analysis of Putin's interview.

example one :



this is the same old narrative, putin is trying to drive a wedge in western leaders. yes its true but not insightful.

I don't know who you are talking to but its obviously not me. For the third time, i ask you, not BBC: Can you explain how Scott Ritters assessment is different from Putins explicit justifications?

Let’s circle back to the comment you made about the video posted



This has no attempt to engage with the argument or discuss the topic at hand. Admittedly I didn’t watch that 24 minute video myself, however attempting to immediately disqualify whatever argument he is making based on his conviction and time served - does constitute a logical fallacy.

You have given more nuance now and I thank you for that. Having said that - Scott Ritter does know more about military than I do and I would probably learn from him despite his conviction.

If somebody brings here a public speech of one of Ukranian neonazis - eg Biletsky - I honestly would be very interested to hear what he has to say. I have read about his earlier escapades along the lines of fighting the semite-led untermenschen - perhaps he became more nuanced and polished with all NATO PR training given to him.

This post was edited by Malopox on Feb 17 2024 04:27am