Quote (Djunior @ Feb 13 2024 01:04pm)
i find it impossible to refute this statement.
It is a crazy world we live in, where we can see that the US has serious internal issues, and they are still focusing all of their attention outwards.
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 13 2024 11:33am)
Nope. Not even close. When I say Nazi I mean Nazi. There are all kinds of ultranationalists around the world that I don't have any existential grudge against. I don't have any bone to pick with Hindu ultranationalists chanting Jai Shri ram, and I don't have any bone to pick with the Khalistanis. Until they bring their conflict to my doorstep. Otherwise, you know what I think about their conflict? Nothing. Because its not my problem and I have no reason to care. Being a nationalist has no moral connotation, but being a Nazi sure as hell does. Anyone who chooses to be a Nazi in 2024 should absolutely be condemned and repudiated and I'm not going to bemoan a thermal optics drone dropping a grenade on their head.
And I can only wonder how many times I've said this before on PARD, but its really easy to figure out which ones are actually the Nazis because they're the ones waving Nazi flags, tattooing SS symbols and black suns and swastikas on themselves, posing with framed portraits of Nazis, and unironically handing out copies of the fucking Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf on the streets of Kiev while they overthrew the government. Because I guess they thought cryptonazism made hitler adoration so ambiguous that they just had to make sure that a decade down the line, folks like you couldn't employ a no true scotsman argument to try to deny their Nazi identity.
I don't have moral grievances, I have pragmatic geopolitical grievances, and last I checked America wasn't arming Russia to kill Ukrainians. Its not my conflict and I should have no reason to care. Unlike Israel who are US allies, under the US sphere of influence and protection, and vastly overproductive and achieving contributors to western society. I've heard of the Israeli bandage and RSA encryption and USB drives and the Iron Dome, all I've heard of Russia's historical breadbasket is that they live like Dilbert's Elbonian mudwaders except with more corruption. I have a thousand reasons why its against our geopolitical interests to support a losing war against Russia that doesn't secure any gains for us but destroys an entire country in the process.
But if I had to pick up a moral grievance, than I'd say America has failed in the past by being both too interventionalist when it serves no greater good like Iraq and Syria, and not interventionalist enough when we could have averted massacres like Rwanda and Serbia. And when it comes to the latter, I'd be generally inclined to say in a vacuum America should have a moral responsibility to quash a Nazi revolutionary regime that overthrew a democratic government and instituted a repressive tyranny. So if it weren't for the fact Ukraine's government is a puppet of our making, I'd probably support the idea that America should have invaded Ukraine and bombed the fuck out of the Azov Battalion, instead of Russia having to do it.
I think its a case of selective blindness to facts in the face of circumstances. The simple fact is that the ultranationalist (read; Nazi) issue which exists in Ukraine is seen as an acceptable situation, to be defended and brushed off, in the face of a larger goal of defeating Russia. For the most part I see people either brushing the issue off or simply downplaying it, i.e. the ends justify the goal. I dont agree with this position but I accept thats where we are. While we dont dwell on it, for Putin it is a serious issue noting they are literally his neighbors.
This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 13 2024 07:30am