Thus proving Putin's point, that the United States is seeking color revolutions and is fundamentally an aggressor.

The CIA is an American intelligence agency dedicated (nominally) to serving American foreign policy interests, whether that means overthrowing dictatorships, or democracies, or supporting one or the other, or both.

the facts of the matter is that the US orchestrated a coup in 2014, this should not be rocket science to accept (its literally there in the video posted above) and this is not a new dawn of US foreign policy.



Russia had expressly told the US repeatedly not to touch Ukraine. We provided the evidence (US leaked documents) which supported this. Evidence over 20 years where Russia told the US repeatedly that Ukraine was their red line. The US then decided to ignore all that, strengthening ties with Ukraine, carrying out war games with Ukraine and itching to get them into Nato. Biden, Yes Biden, thought for years that it would be a brilliant idea to keep poking the bear which was old and irrelevant, over a long number of years (with western ukraine shelling eastern ukraine and getting 78billion in aid prior to the start of the war). Russia, the old man of europe repeatedly said no no no, and was repeatedly ignored, which culminated in Russia invading Ukraine. No means no. You know, it would have been much cleaner if the US simply told Russia that they would send troops to Ukraine if Russia invaded, OR, not charged Ukraine when they sent them billions of dollars of obsolete weapons that wont change the tide of war, OR, agreed last year that negotiating with Russia was the best thing to do for the country at that time, OR sought a diplomatic solution. When looking at US allies committing genocide in other parts of the world, or chopping journalists into little pieces, and escalating conflicts rather then looking for anything other then a final solution, it is no wonder that Ukraine is fubar.

your sources of information are shit.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 7 2024 11:51am

Before 45th was in office this is what everyone agreed with. This has been Americas role in the new world order forever and always. Since day 1 in 1776. You used to applaud it, you used to salute the flag with that understanding, but you and the other hogs have been so clearly brainwashed into thinking that America is the bad guy because there is literally a Russian poli op that has been lambasting you with this filth for the last 8 years.

Think about what you are arguing right now. Clearly you are just as bad as a chinese communist or a russian propagandist to think that America is now all of a sudden the bad guy. Shame on you

Wake the fuck up pleb

This post was edited by Crunkt on Feb 7 2024 11:48am

The fact that all this was already discussed even before Putin is being considered as a decent political player, before he was even considered a potential President in an Essay written in 1992 in Havard. And now everyone is screaming their hearts out with absolutely no knowledge the plans really bemused me.

USA overestimated its influence at that point, Russia overestimated itself as well with boots on the ground. They didn't know current stalemate would be the outcome.
You're looking at the situation with revisionist glasses.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Feb 7 2024 11:50am

And Russia is a democratic state. India is somewhere in-between, but Modi is taking it quickly to where he thinks it needs to go.

Court documents are shit I guess.



wake the fuck up pleb

go back to listening to Theo von and Joe Rogan as your main source of information for current US politics Im sure they vet their information thoroughly and adhere to doctorate levels of journalism

This post was edited by Crunkt on Feb 7 2024 11:51am

this is a point that gets overlooked a lot
Joe Biden greenlit this invasion in the first place. Before the olympics was all kinds of hubbub about whether Russia would invade Ukraine as they massed on the border, and Biden got in front of it by explicitly stating we would not defend Ukraine if it was invaded. Now look where we are. The fruit of half measures. Biden could have played at brinksmanship and said we would put US troops right in Kiev and defend every inch of western Ukraine with the full might of the US military, and bullied Putin into submission. Would it have averted this war, or caused a greater one? Every bit of historical precedent says they'd back down and we'd have won our prize. Instead Biden opted to give Putin the green light to invade and then try to bleed him at every turn by backing western Ukraine, but breaking with the historical precedent of shadow proxy wars by overtly arming and training Ukraine to fight directly against Russians and give them as much modern equipment as we could, and yet they still lost the war.

Its the worst of both worlds and I've said that since this began. You confront or you accede, you don't try to play passive aggressive against naked aggression.

Obama was very clear in 2014 that Ukraine was not a core interest of the United States. American policy for the last ~80 years has been to support Arab dictatorships in return for stability in the Middle East. What you're saying fundamentally contradicts historical reality.

There is no way that you legitimately think Russia is a democracy. You are fucked if you think that and likely an invalid that should not be taken seriously



https://wavellroom.com/2023/01/25/its-official-russia-is-a-dictatorship/



https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2022C30/