Sunnis and Arab countries are completely owned and operated by the United States. They buy all our hardware and we supply them all their training. It was always in americas interest to keep the sunni oil barons heavily reliant on western tech that they themselves don't know how to operate. Biden single handedly reversing ME normalization in the last three months and gifting Iran regional power status does hinder this endeavor however.

If an actual war broke out and the marines were let off the leash; there's not a single country in the world that could stop them. America, even as gutted as it is, still has the capacity to roflstomp any country with shock and awe. All important military hardware/software is made stateside.

The Sunnis don't need American hardware or products. They buy from the Chinese and Russians. And the Marines are almost completely useless at this point, because rather than DC simply giving a "Go wipe out our enemy" order and allowing the military to do as they will, they want to micromanage every aspect of any foreign conflict. Hence why we never won in Korea, why we lost in Vietnam, and why we lost in both Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as Somalia and Libya. We're pretty solid at collapsing governments in the ME and Africa. We aren't good at replacing them with people who want to deal with us. Like, for instance, Iran.

Now, if the military were literally let off the leash? "Win whatever the cost" style? First, the war would probably go nuclear. Second, we'd get to find first hand just what "drone warfare" means. There's a reason China has been mass producing cheap, retail level drones to the tune of 50x what is actually bought or used, and it's not to entertain children. And as it turns out, "suicide drones" are effective even against people in full body armor.

There's no real quid pro quo. Ukraine is a puppet state, Biden owes them nothing, if he actually felt like there was a debt he could simply betray them and never have to worry about it, they have no power. The only real explanation is that Ukraine is a proxy war for neoliberals who think that its in our interests to be in a forever war against Russia and think that every dead Russian that didn't cost a US troop is a net gain for America, particularly if they can boost the military budget in the process. And given that a huge chunk if not majority of the Ukrainian funding is being funneled as bribes, its probably working its way back to American interests anyway.

The whole Ukraine conflict is just the marriage of true believer ultranationalist Ukrainian partisans working together with cynical neolibs/neocons who want to exploit them. Biden was happy to take Ukrainian oil money, and his staff included Ukrainian activists like Eric Ciaramella ('whistleblower' at Trump impeachment) and Marie Yovanovitch and Alexander Vindman. They sincerely wanted Ukraine to be wrested from the Russian sphere of influence and folded into NATO. Biden never had any reason to care beyond geopolitical strategy. The issue is that their strategy is moronic and self-defeating

The US sent 350 billion dollars worth of toys to SA since 2017(ongoing). They use American stuff.

I agree with your second point about drones shaping modern warfare but atleast the US has active anti drone capabilities. There's a reason why the USN has been having a field day in the Red Sea. Multi layered aa capabilities especially phalanx ciws has proven to be very successful against massive ballistic/drone attacks, a carrier group might be susceptible to overwhelming drone attacks but destroyers are fine.

Unfortunately ammunition is neither unlimited nor cheap. Part of the issue with drones right from the start, and the reason they took so long to be allowed in US Markets went something like this: "Hey! A sale on mini drones for $5! I think I'll buy 10,000 of them, equip them all with a small explosive, then use every last one of them at the same time with my 10,000 best buddies against that big shiny metal thing in the water. If we're targeted enough, we might land us a brand new ship!" Suicide drones are all about being as cheap as possible, as lightweight as possible, will still being able to carry an explosive. And there are tens of millions of these "toy" mini drones sitting in Chinese Warehouses today. The same China that welcomed Iran into BRICS.

The picture looks REALLY bad atm. And I think comprehension of just how bad hasn't settled in for most. Like, people shouldn't be afraid of "mass shooters" much if at all. Just be armed and prepared to respond, it'll be fine. But explosive drones? 1 explosive drone claymore style into a food court at a mall could be 50+ dead, and there'd be zero evidence of who operated the drone or anything about their motivations once that drone pops.

Your shipboard turrets could certainly get a lot of the drones. Because of the small size and high maneuverability though, you're going to miss a lot of times. And Ammo isn't infinite.

At bold, Sold*

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Feb 3 2024 12:09pm

I agree with a lot of that but my question to you is were all those wars really "lost" just because we "left"? Your saying we can't produce like we did in the past but companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Booze Allen Hamilton among others have not only met the demand of suppling all those wars but now are actively supplying our proxies in Ukraine and Israel. We don't actually give a shit about any European or middle eastern countries in a hot WW3. We simply created power vacuums all across the ME and Asia. Bringing the "war to your front doorstep" is what we do and that's what makes our armed citizenry that more scary. Scarier then that would be our ability to transition all these Amazon/FedEX/UPS warehouses into ammunition and arms manufacturing like we did during both World Wars. Both times our "enemies" thought there was no way we could activate/deploy our military and mobilize our citenzry so fast. We did and we won both the wars that mattered WW1 and WW2. Put our dollar as the world reserve currency and moved trillions in "black money" to feeding our military. Went to the Middle East to steal as much oil as we can to feed our military which consumes more oil then any other entity on Earth. Look how hard the elite controllers of this world have to try just to rattle Americans. They still don't have our guns and never will. They try and divide regular Americans over "politics" and that's failing. Just because my neighbor voted for Joe Biden doesn't mean were going to "turn on each other" in times of war. We'd unify.

I also think the notion that Chinese/Russian militaries have more advanced technology then we do is a "hock of shit" and no amount of news articles saying "they got better missles" "they got better drones" will change the reality surrounding it. All 3 of those countries LOSE if they go at each other that's why all 3 of us use proxies and "secret agents" to infiltrate. People are naïve to think the US military doesn't have "kinetic energy weapons" "emp devices" and "race specific bio weapons". Not saying Russia/China don't have "advanced weapons not publicly known". We built the atomic bomb in the 1940's and dropped it. No one is calling our bluff. We have a Royal Flush off the flop and no amount of "deception" changes the fact we have the best hand at the table. Just my opinion but I think the whole "America is weaker then it's ever been" is simply NWO propoganda. "You lost America! Just turn in your 400 million privately owned guns right now!"

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Feb 3 2024 12:17pm

What war do you think we've won? Iraq is in shambles and basically services Iran, Libya and Somalia are failed states where our "humanitarian goals" led to open air slavery, anarchy, and warring factions, we clearly lost Vietnam, Korea is still ongoing. The Taliban is back in charge. What war?

As far as production of weapons and ammunition, talk to the marines. They're undersupplied as is, and a bunch of their shit was given away to Ukraine. We gave away our stockpiles, based on the *hope* that the aforementioned companies could resupply us prior to any real conflict touching us, and tax payers are being destroyed by that bill. While I do agree that the citizens are armed and prepared to respond, who do you respond against? Based just on encounters, CBP reports 2.5 million entries in 2023 alone. Not turnbacks or deportations. Entries. And that's just what they encountered. Let's say they were working overtime and got half. That's still 5 million foreign invaders on US soil. From over 100 countries. In just one year.

America is weaker than it has been at any point since WWII. We aren't pumping out the weapons platforms or the weapons themselves like we used to, components for the entire auto and airline industries are made in India and China, raw steel production is through the floor, the Chinese are #1 by miles, and the citizenry doesn't want to fight on some other continent when we have a foreign invasion right here at home. As to China having a "better" military, I doubt it. But it is larger, it is well armed. As to tech, the only tech I'm sure the Chinese beat us on are their mid-range missiles. The Russians I haven't seen anything indicating they've developed anything truly "better". But the largest concern is always going to be the 30-50m foreign invaders currently in the US, and what they'll do if we go to war with the nations they owe allegiance to.

Things could have been different. Unfortunately we've focused most of our efforts on turning our military trans, gay, and female, rather than focusing on having the most well-armed band of people who like to break shit on the planet.

What I bolded I actually see as a win and you see as a loss. Strategically I think we see it differently. Like I said keeping the wars abroad is one of our highest priorities. I think we installed or allowed the worst amongst our enemies to rise to power. If we wanted to win all those wars you mentioned we would've turn those countries into glass with less then 1% of our nuclear arsenal(or emp's/other advanced weapons). If we used the big guns and just said fuck international peace agreements we would've ended each conflict in days and not allowed drawn out conflicts. We left billions in military equipment in Afghanistan knowing full well we could replace it in a timely manner and allow terrorist factions to get ahold of that equipment(should add most our tech is chipped so we know where are hum'v's are even if they tried to remove the "tracker software/hardware". A lot of our equipment can be remotely shut down from across the world.

Disagree with you on the small percentage of gay/trans/woman that our coming through the ranks of our military. They makeup a small fraction but that's what our news propaganda bashes us with. Our whole military is a bunch of "gay faggots" who can't fight. Go to a military base and see how many "pussies" you can find lol. There's a few but not many.

I think we're all buying into the NWO Anti-American talking points. Do you really think the US military is "honest' with our "sworn enemies" about how much "oil we got left" how much of anything we have. There's literally zero strategic advantage in that. That's like saying we "haven't been back to the moon" because they didn't tell us about it. That's like saying the "missing trillions" wasn't funneled into black ops military projects. Were already in WW3 and we want our enemies to "think" they are winning until like I said we "bring out the big guns".

Let's say there's 5 million+ sleeper cells in our country. Still out numbered and out gunned in a country where the average citizen knows their city "like the back of their hand" and in a guerilla warfare scenario has the advantage. Even if they've been studying our geography for decades through satellite imaging and ground intel.

My main question I guess for you is do you really think the US government which keeps tabs on all citizens in our country including the ones who think their "off grid" can't locate these people or that they don't have a profile on these people already. I have a family member whose very intelligent and very connected whose worked for the NSA, Argonne National Lab, and Microsoft's Artificial intelligence program. He can't tell his own family/wife what he does because he has one of the highest military clearances and it would breach national security. Of the few things he's told me that he's worked on here's a few that opened my eyes and he gave me zero details just spoke broadly when our whole family pressured him. Especially my grandfather who served in Korea. He literally said my cousin, "sold his soul" because he went from being so open to "scared shitless" and you saw the change in him. Whatever he was working on and still works on was/is "dark" but probably "necessary".
1) Anything you can imagine has already been tested/built in a lab by our government.
2) Worked on "Terminator robots" i.e reason being from his own words, "People don't want to see humans die in war so we're building a robot army because they won't be so emotional when 1000's of terminator robots get deployed instead of 20 year old kids".
3) Worked on "Genetically engineered potatoes" that contain all of the daily nutrients a human would need to survive(Straight out of the matrix and the "goop soup")
The only reason I brought him up because he is the only person I "personally" know that could even remotely tell me what our government is working on in those deep underground bunkers. It's a joke amongst my family that he's "working with aliens" and he's "traveling from DUMB to DUMB on a mag-train".
The smartest person I know works at the highest levels of the military. Because I brought up a lot of what you and others have mentioned because of my own doubts about our country and it's military capacity. He literally laughed out loud basically for me even speculating that some other intelligence was more advanced then ours.

Okay, first, I love the military and wasn't indicating they're a bunch of pussies or faggots. I was merely indicating recruitment is down and has been down for well over a decade, and part of what I believe has caused that is the pushing of the whole gay/trans/etc. agenda in recruitment ads. Teenagers want to go learn how to be warriors, not get support in chopping their balls off. In general terms. Just to get that bolded bit out of the way.

I may speak doom and gloom a lot, but I don't think there's a chance in hell the US could be taken from without. Gotta be within. And I don't believe any strike from within will "destroy" us. Merely damage us and kill a lot of people. And the backlash would end all the "people are people" tolerance campaigns for good, imo. Now, I do think that we have issues in Southeast Asia and could very well be kicked out entirely by China. That said, if we get to that point, it's already WWIII.

And that potato sounds amazing!