From the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office (and the corresponding press release I linked earlier):



I don't necessarily think that 100% of the fault can be placed with Chauvin, as other officers were assisting in the restraint, but there is a significant amount of culpability to be placed upon him, given both his actions, and his lack thereof, with regard to attempting to revive Floyd once he became unresponsive.

If you're achieving these numbers daily, please seek help.

i hold him accountable for being reckless in the handling of a guy with no weapon on him, who was in the throes of an OD and crying like a sissy. police do have a responsibility once a “suspect” is no longer a threat. he caused a lot of nationwide grief and anguish because he didnt just transport him to jail or whatever for observation.

a fake $20 is a petty crime too. ridiculous situation at every level

The police were trained to restrain people who are struggling with them and possibly at medical risk, just like he did- because a hobble restraint / neck restraint is one of the safest ways to keep someone immobilized until EMTs arrive to try to administer aid.
At what point was any of it excessive force? Until Floyd passed out, there was every reason to maintain the restraint while awaiting EMTs, and even after he passed out, it was 1) a risk he could come to abruptly and struggle again and 2) not doing any harm to maintain the hold

Mr. George would still be alive if he didn’t break the law & then resist arrest. However with that being said, those two things shouldn’t result in one losing their life. The dickhead police officer should not have put his knee on his neck in that manner, for that amount of time. Mistakes were made all around, however Chauvin shares some of the responsibility.

No thank you.



Fun when the ME report is directly contradicted by the coroner's report.

The coroner has access to full toxicology AND dissects the body. Why would you trust an ME who provides little more than a visual exam over the coroner?

Again, go back a few pages to the case Matt provided regarding the feller who had a cop's knee pushed between his shoulder blades. The coroner ruled it homicide, in spite of the attempt (successful) to get the cop off clean. Note in that case, it was clear the suspect was actively fighting the cops.

Here, it's clear Floyd struggled, refused to be put into the cruiser, offered to be put on the ground rather than be in the cruiser, complained about not being able to breath while in the cruiser, and swallowed his drugs prior. There's a lot of negatives on Floyd here. What exactly did chauvin do, beyond follow his training?

Even if there was another chokehold that worked 10% less well, it might would have been worth using because then the media can't make up fantasy stories about cops hunting brown people.

Even I was fooled the first time I saw the video. The average person has an IQ of 95 in this country and the only thing they remember when they watch the news is "Police Knee + Neck = Dead Black Man".

Could you elaborate on who the people are you're talking about?
There was only one autopsy conducted, only one ME report by one coroner: The report written by hennepin county medical examiner Andrew Baker, who performed the autopsy, submitted and received the toxicology, dissected the body, etc.
He's the county's only pathologist afaik, and Ben Crump and the floyd "family" (a loose term here) simply lied about their '2nd autopsy'.




there are holds that work maybe 50-80% 'less well', and they now use those instead of the superior and safer hobble restraint, ironically using the older restraints that were phased out specifically because they were more likely to kill those black men
so net result is still more dead black people, its a secret win for the klan I guess

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 1 2021 09:32am

This cannot be stated enough. Go back to the initial topic. I was calling for blood. It's taken a lot of digging to get to the point where I'm not on Floyd's side here.

And no, his past criminal record has nothing to do with it.

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

The autopsy does not reflect on any cause of death related to officers on scene.