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Apr 8 2022 09:50pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Apr 2022 11:02)
No, of course not. The shipping alone would cause US or CAN gas to be more expensive than Russian gas. That's basically why Europe got hooked on Russian gas in the first place: it was just too cheap and convenient to pass.
That's not the primary concern anymore though. In Europe, the current primary concern is to get the necessary gas at all. No matter how much we'd be willing to pay, it would simply be impossible to substitute Russian gas immediately. A Russian or a voluntary European gas embargo would cause a severe shortage of gas in Western Europe.

snipa was talking about a different scenario: the Russians intentionally cutting their oil and gas production and thus artificially inflating the prices as a tactic of economic warfare. My point is that this would increase world market prices and thus hit Europe, but that there'd be an upper limit on how high the prices could go due to NA fracking, meaning that this tactic was never potent.



The ecological damage might be irreversible. There are other countries in OPEC that might still be able to provide.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 9 Apr 2022 05:50)
The ecological damage might be irreversible. There are other countries in OPEC that might still be able to provide.

OPEC drilling more would of course be the ideal solution, but why would they? For the first time in many many years, they have the West by the balls again. With the whole world moving away from fossils, chances are that they will never again have as much leverage as they do right now.


In the current situation, it would of course be nice to have a man in the White House who has a good relationship with the Saudis, wouldn't it? :rolleyes:
Iirc, the Saudis and other Gulf monarchies don't even pick up the phone when Biden is calling.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 8 2022 10:00pm
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ 9 Apr 2022 02:53)
Yes, the Cubans should just give up their sovereignty in exchange for toilet seats so ignorant westerners can applaud them for finally having a "real democracy".


Cow dung galettes, mud roads, no toilets at home.
And no democracy ^_^

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/48/8d/63488d098e0cadecbb5a259418449b5a.jpg

Everytime I see these types of missiles being paraded around by the Russian, I can't help but think that someone has to "compensate".
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 8 2022 10:59pm)
OPEC drilling more would of course be the ideal solution, but why would they? For the first time in many many years, they have the West by the balls again. With the whole world moving away from fossils, chances are that they will never again have as much leverage as they do right now.


In the current situation, it would of course be nice to have a man in the White House who has a good relationship with the Saudis, wouldn't it? :rolleyes:
Iirc, the Saudis and other Gulf monarchies don't even pick up the phone when Biden is calling.


Trump got the Saudis and Israel united, Biden got them united against us. Leadership

But yeah the Russian gas to the EU right now is simply not replaceable. All that could be done if Russia turns off the gas is immediate cutbacks and shortages before emergency supply chains could be set up. There arent enough LNG terminals and LNG boats to support a permanent supply from the US even at exorbitant prices and other countries dont have pipelines active.
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Apr 9 2022 02:56am)
Nobody in Cuba has toilet seats because the US sanctioned the delivery of toilet seats to Cubans.

Before John Mcafee died, he (rightly) called this out as being a form of psychological humiliation by the US against them as punishment for resisting hegemony.


can't they just make theirs? lmao, it's a fucking piece of plastic.
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Quote (Goomshill @ 9 Apr 2022 09:19)
Trump got the Saudis and Israel united, Biden got them united against us. Leadership

But yeah the Russian gas to the EU right now is simply not replaceable. All that could be done if Russia turns off the gas is immediate cutbacks and shortages before emergency supply chains could be set up. There arent enough LNG terminals and LNG boats to support a permanent supply from the US even at exorbitant prices and other countries dont have pipelines active.

The world's thirst for oil and gas also took away any clout Biden/the U.S. admin might have had in their negotiations with Iran. So now he has to resort to begging freakin' Venezuela for more drilling, all while he's still not willing to spend political capital on an expansion of the domestic fossils industry out of fear of his own party's rabid activist base.

Regarding Europe: we are quickly building new LNG terminals, but it takes at least 9 months or so before they can go into operation. The only saving grace is that Putin is well-aware of the fact that his entire system would blow up in his face within 8-24 months without revenue from commodity sales, so that he isn't willing to pull the trigger on cutting off the gas either. The fashion in which he shied away from really forcing the West to pay in rubles two weeks ago is proof of that.

So now, the main threat in this regard are bleeding-heart liberals here in Western Europe who are drunk with morals and try to pressure our governments into a gas embargo to address their personal guilt trip. And like I've mentioned before, there are of course the climate activists who see the current situation as their golden opportunity to force their unpopular sacrifice-and-restrictions-agenda onto our societies under the guise of a purported "moral obligation", hoping that the public will blame the forseeable and catastrophic repercussions onto Putin.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 9 2022 02:18am
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On the topic of sanctions noting the continued levels of sanctions being imposed on Russia, I would imagine America wants to put Russia back into the stone age. In terms of Cuba, its a damning verdict on America that they woul punish an entire people just because they are in their sphere of influece and have different views. They dont have nuclear weapons, they are not about to invade America and they are not doing god knows what to their people, compared to other countries that america has not sanctioned.

From Wiki: The United Nations General Assembly has passed a resolution every year since 1992 demanding the end of the US economic embargo on Cuba, with the US and Israel being the only nations to consistently vote against the resolutions. William M. LeoGrande summarized that the embargo against Cuba is "the oldest and most comprehensive US economic sanctions regime against any country in the world" imposed over half a century ago. According to LeoGrande, "the embargo has never been effective at achieving its principal purpose: forcing Cuba's revolutionary regime out of power or bending it to Washington's will."[5]

i.e. sanctions have not worked and instead are perpetuating a crime against humanity. the whole idea of forcing democracy on the world is mental. you dont do it by invading or punishing a country, you do it by talking to them over a long period of time and having open relations. They didnt do that for Cuba and they didnt do it for Russia either. I accept that america would much prefer to do a Ukraine on Cuba but in this instance its more that america simply does not care and is happy instead to make cuba into a toilet of rubbish, without a seat on it.

too much?

caveat: I have no position on whether there is an embargo on toilet seats or not. if someone is able to wade through decades old internet websites/document to prove this true or false, have at it.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 9 2022 02:33am
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On the topic of sanctions noting the continued levels of sanctions being imposed on Russia, I would imagine America wants to put Russia back into the stone age. In terms of Cuba, its is a damning verdict on America that they woul punish an entire people just because they are in their sphere of influece and have different views. They dont have nuclear weapons, they are not about to invade America and they are not doing god knows what to their people, compared to other countries that america has not sanctioned.

From Wiki: The United Nations General Assembly has passed a resolution every year since 1992 demanding the end of the US economic embargo on Cuba, with the US and Israel being the only nations to consistently vote against the resolutions. William M. LeoGrande summarized that the embargo against Cuba is "the oldest and most comprehensive US economic sanctions regime against any country in the world" imposed over half a century ago. According to LeoGrande, "the embargo has never been effective at achieving its principal purpose: forcing Cuba's revolutionary regime out of power or bending it to Washington's will."[5]

i.e. sanctions have not worked and instead are perpetuating a crime against humanity. the whole idea of forcing democracy on the world is mental. you dont do it by invading or punishing a country, you do it by talking to them over a long period of time.


During the Cold War, the sanctions against Cuba served the purpose of preventing the potential of a prospering communist country in America's backyard. I really don't get why they were kept up after the Cold War though.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 9 2022 09:26am)
During the Cold War, the sanctions against Cuba served the purpose of preventing the potential of a prospering communist country in America's backyard. I really don't get why they were kept up after the Cold War though.


yes i accept all that
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ 8 Apr 2022 20:56)
Nobody in Cuba has toilet seats because the US sanctioned the delivery of toilet seats to Cubans.

Before John Mcafee died, he (rightly) called this out as being a form of psychological humiliation by the US against them as punishment for resisting hegemony.



The US put an EMBARGO on Cuba, not some single line of “no toilet seat for you.” In fact, U.S. law and regulations include exemptions and authorizations relating to exports of food, medicine, and other humanitarian goods to Cuba.

Cuba gets their toilets mainly from Canada and some from Europe.
Most toilets in Canada are sold without a seat. Same for Europe.
There’s even a quote from fucking HOME DEPOT (which exists in Canada) saying “Remember that most toilets do not come with the toilet seat included. They must be purchased separately.”

Seats aren’t considered a necessity in every country.

But go ahead and keep posting what the Kremlin feeds you, dumbo.

Now, again, sit. With or without your toilet seat.

This post was edited by IchBinDaddy on Apr 9 2022 02:38am
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