Oh, I do believe that Germans would be smart enough to fight a hypothetical Russian invasion of Poland, if only for the simple reason that it's better for the fighting to take place on someone else's soil than on their own territory.
That being said, the whole rationale doesn't hold up to logical scrutiny. This talking point about how "we'd be next if Ukraine falls" is mostly propaganda to keep up public support for Ukraine, and for the massive investment into re-arming the German military.

But then again, this investment into re-building our defense capabilities is indeed needed. Not so much because a Russian land invasion of the EU would actually have a chance at success, but to deter them from even entertaining the thought. Likewise, the situation in Turkey, the Middle East and many African places is getting more and more sketchy, so Europe should have the military capacity to get things done on its own. We can't allow a repeat of the Libya situation from 2011, when France and the UK dragged the US into the conflict. For those of you who don't remember: Obama was sceptical of an involvement in Libya, but Paris and London pushed forward on their own. Then, after less than a week, they ran out of ammo and came begging the US for support.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 18 2024 11:33am

Obama was skeptical. But I think by now or for a long time, we realized that the President of the United States of America have very little or difficult control over such things, when the FPE controls such overseas engagement and the FPE is extremely bi-partisan.

The f16s coupled with these munitions will legitimately be a game changer in the air (imo the ground situation still remains hopeless)

Russia has no mobile AA systems that can shoot down these missles, the f16s will simply outrange them.

The problem I see is that Ukraine will sperg out and start using these to snipe targets deep in Russia instead of using these to reinforce the ground stalemate. Ukraines only hope is to get enough wunderwaffen to achieve air superiority because russias wartime economy is going to start outpacing anything Ukraine will receive on the ground.

ye and that will lead to Russia doing another round of conscription and using bigger and bigger bombs on Ukraine. it looks inevitable from my viewpoint.

When I say russia isn't really a country

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/01/19/7438049/

Longer this goes on, the higher the probability that Ukraine's population will not recover. Good luck dragging people back to a destroyed and indebted country when they've put roots down in Germany or other wealthy states 4 years after war started. This will be a country that will end up with a sub-30 million population, maybe even sub-25 million, that won't recover for decades and will probably have to rely on heavy outside support.

just to keep this going since it is quiet.
I still owe you 100 FG depends on the election by the way

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jan 23 2024 12:06pm

It's a matter of time, even pro-Ukrainian accounts are reporting on the slow advance. Gaza, Bachmut, Avdiivka, have really showed to the world that modern warfare is extremely difficult and slow.

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1749764513157587162