Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 13 2024 04:04pm)
The bulk of the Western arms supplies for Ukraine didn't arrive before the summer of 2022. The failure of Russia's initial attack comes down to strategic failure and Ukraine being prepared. Also, who knows how Russia would do right now without Iranian drones and North Korean ammunition/shells. Likewise, just as the West is keeping Ukraine's state finances afloat, China is keeping the Russian economy afloat and takes a lot of sting out of the Western sanctions.
Pretending that Russia is doing it all by itself is plain wrong.
Lol yes, drones from Iran or a few plane loads of munitions from NK was the saving grace for Russia.
Mate, China is keeping the Russian economy afloat in a symbiotic way, being that they get to buy needed commodities and Russia gets Chinese money/products. It's the same as before the war, there's really no shift in China's policy. Same with India. It's not as if these two countries are putting their industrial capacity backing Russia and pledging tens of billions in aid just so the war can go on. It's a literal net positive for both India and China to continue to trade with Russia.
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 13 2024 04:08pm)
False.
Your claim was "hundreds of billions in armaments" that is incorrect. Your digging a deeper whole by not admitting your error.
What do you mean truly a Russia vs Ukraine fight? Are you just making up scenarios that fit your position? Just to play into that fantasy how many Shahed drones and North Korean munitions would that remove from the equation?
There is a literal difference between financial and military aid; Claiming that is semantical is ludicrous and desperate on your part.
A fraction of NATO spending has been sent to Ukraine.
Much of what has been sent or pledged has not even arrived or not been deployed to the frontlines.
How many Abrams have been in the frontlines? How many F-16s have been active in the Ukrainian air force?
The conclusion is that the Russian military has embarrassingly underperformed against an allegedly inferior military, with an exponential advantage in spending, size and resources.
Its not that deep. Military's can fail. The fact the war is still ongoing two years later is testament to that.
Hundreds of billions in value were provided to Ukraine, with the full weight of the western/NATO intelligence apparatus aiding Ukraine and they've hardly displaced a shovel wielding military more than a few miles since the counter. The dozens of NATO meetings, the dozens of surveillance drones flights in the black sea, the signing of a laundry list of military contracts and global collection of military aid by the collective west, but yes it's nothing. It's semantical because aggregate aid is what matters, which is significant. The west paying their military salaries or keeping their hospitals online has an impact you get that right?
They've underperformed because they are facing a collective of wealthy backers, a fact that you continually minimize yet focus on how poor Ukraine is. Dishonest and frankly kind of dumb.
This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 13 2024 03:30pm