How is the Russian winter offensive going?

Incredible footage of Ukrainian Bradleys vs Russian T90

Why would it hurt me to admit it? it's true that NATO didn't sell all of its weight to Ukraine. I'm using your idiotic logic though, "halted by the poorest country", but please don't focus on the hundreds of billions in armaments and intel pumped into it however am I right?

These are not Ukrainian. Ukraine even lost their only cartridge factory in Luhansk. They have nothing. Everything they got from the collapsed USSR they can't even reproduce, just like Antonov's Mria. It's a fragile state and the war can't add anything to it's stability.

This post was edited by Norlander on Jan 13 2024 12:45pm

Hundreds of billlions in armaments?
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-233b-in-ukraine-aid/

$90 billion. Much of which has been pledged and not even arrived in Ukraine.

Hypothetically lets assume its 100 billion dollars, and all of it has arrived; So, 100 billion dollars over 2 years, plus Ukraine's own military budget which in 2023 was 6 billion and has never exceeded that in the past 30 years.
Versus Russias 41 billion dollars average per yer for the last 30 years. In 2023 alone it was at least 86 billion dollars

Afaik you have even argued that Russia gets far more for its money in terms of output than the West.
And you are arguing what here exactly? This was somehow a level playing field?

Or is what I am claiming true? That the Russian military has significantly underperformed to an embarrassing level against an opponent that should have been swept aside in a matter of months.



And just to be clear the combined defence spend of NATO countries in 2023 was 1,100 billion dollars. What they have donated to Ukraine is a drop in the ocean. Lets stop having shills pretend otherwise.
Just because NATO don't massively manufacture 155mm artillery shells like Russia, does not mean it has emptied its supply of the highest tech weaponry that has ever existed in history.

from this graph (based on 2015 prices)

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2023/7/pdf/230707-def-exp-2023-en.pdf

Sources.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/military-expenditure#:~:text=Military%20Expenditure%20in%20Russia%20increased,source%3A%20SIPRI
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/UKR/ukraine/military-spending-defense-budget

If they have nothing, why is Kherson not under Russian control?

When will Kherson be under Russian control?

How is the Russian winter offensive to take Avdiivka? Wasn't it supposed to be completed by Christmas?

Just great. But they need exactly 155mm shells you can't provide and the hi-tech weaponry is burning the moment you are typing your reply. In the video where Leopards are burning you can literally warm up.
How is the counteroffensive is going? How soon Ukraine will take Crimea as they promised? Is Russia already out of shells or drones as they claimed two years ago? Is Putin dead to cancer?

This post was edited by Norlander on Jan 13 2024 01:14pm

Yes, hundreds. Below is what the US has sent alone, now add entirety of EU, Japan, SK, and on and on. Embarrassing, hundreds of billions and can't even dislodge some toilet stealing, shovel wielding, gas station.



https://www.voanews.com/a/7399654.html

Russia has underperformed, because the assumption going in was that Russia had the second or third best army in the world. It turns out that the lives spent in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the hundreds of billions spent annually weren't entirely in vain, America is still clearly far and away the most dominant military power on earth.

That being said, Ukraine has been backed to a historic degree. China coming to the rescue of North Korea in the 50s is the only example I can think of that beats it. If Ukraine was left to its own devices it would lose quickly.

My main takeaway from all of this is that all of our societies have gotten very poor at war. We don't have millions ready for a draft, we don't have armaments and munitions stores up, we don't have the industrial capacity to quickly transition to war footing. Russia is making strides in that department, but they have to in order to compete with a technologically superior West.

Did you even read what it says?

"The U.S. has already sent Ukraine $111 billion in weapons, equipment,humanitarian assistance and other aid "

I have made bold the part you need to really pay attention to.
The EU has sent significantly more financial assistance than military aid. The bulk of military aid has come from the US.

Stop misunderstanding or intentionally finessing the figures to fit your argument, if you intend to argue honestly.



A fairly accurate assessment.

I would include lend lease from US to UK in WW2, and allied support for the Soviet Union in WW2 in that conversation. Both in terms of volume and significance.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 13 2024 02:34pm

This is not what winning sounds like