Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 13 2024 07:22pm)
Yes, hundreds. Below is what the US has sent alone, now add entirety of EU, Japan, SK, and on and on. Embarrassing, hundreds of billions and can't even dislodge some toilet stealing, shovel wielding, gas station.
https://www.voanews.com/a/7399654.htmlDid you even read what it says?
"The U.S. has already sent Ukraine $111 billion in weapons, equipment,
humanitarian assistance and other aid "
I have made bold the part you need to really pay attention to.
The EU has sent significantly more financial assistance than military aid. The bulk of military aid has come from the US.
Stop misunderstanding or intentionally finessing the figures to fit your argument, if you intend to argue honestly.
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 13 2024 08:12pm)
Russia has underperformed, because the assumption going in was that Russia had the second or third best army in the world. It turns out that the lives spent in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the hundreds of billions spent annually weren't entirely in vain, America is still clearly far and away the most dominant military power on earth.
That being said, Ukraine has been backed to a historic degree. China coming to the rescue of North Korea in the 50s is the only example I can think of that beats it. If Ukraine was left to its own devices it would lose quickly.
My main takeaway from all of this is that all of our societies have gotten very poor at war. We don't have millions ready for a draft, we don't have armaments and munitions stores up, we don't have the industrial capacity to quickly transition to war footing. Russia is making strides in that department, but they have to in order to compete with a technologically superior West.
A fairly accurate assessment.
I would include lend lease from US to UK in WW2, and allied support for the Soviet Union in WW2 in that conversation. Both in terms of volume and significance.
This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 13 2024 02:34pm