Here come the cling ons to explain how everything always comes up millhouse for Vlad.

Do they have enough eggs yet? Or indoor toilets?

I guess shitting indoors is opulence.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 9 2024 06:28pm

Ukraine had the same issue and is in even worse of a position than Russia.



Fallen behind who and in what?

I can't think of a single thing the west isn't massively ahead of every other area on.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 9 2024 06:32pm

I'm shocked you can't think of anything Netflix, truly. Probably just because other countries don't have access to your massive intellect lol.

It’s one of the dumber points to fixate on because most of Europe in general has demographic issue, so to highlight Russia alone as having it is a half truth and just generally deceptive.

But it’s the same old. I mean half of this thread is lame attempts at “sky is falling in Russia” . At this point even valid things are lost because these idiots drown it out with their wishful thinking.

Western countries have the absolutely brilliant plan of importing millions of people from countries they've ruined to make up the difference though. Obviously we are far more advanced!

They are importing the "wrong" demographics on purpose. Not the masses but the elites are importing the wrong demographics on purpose.

Trying to argue about Russian demographics is the biggest self own in this thread so far which has been debunked again and again.

Russian replacement ratio is at around 1.8 which is below required 2.1, but has definitely improved since the 1990s. The government is focusing on promoting having kids - offering to pay money to fresh parents so they can afford to improve their living standard to raise more kids. Every citizen is entitled to ~600k rub for their first child and ~800k rub for the second and so on. Maternity leaves are one of the longest in Europe and education and healthcare is free and good. IMO they should remove income tax for mothers like Hungary did as Russian income taxes are low anyway (13%).



This has been posted here many times but 1990s are considered a decade of humiliation by a lot of Russians and a great chance has been squandered by the west to permanently attract Russia as its long term partner. Instead we get what we get now.

This post was edited by Malopox on Jan 10 2024 04:25am

Virtually every industrialized country has a demographic issue, even China. There are still varying degrees of demographic issues, and in Russia and Ukraine, they're particularly pronounced. This is magnified even further since Russia is a vast and badly underpopulated country while the West is densely populated, even overpopulated in many regions. Yes, places like Western Europe, Japan or South Korea would be hurt economically and fiscally from a reduction of their population, but would also benefit in a lot of other ways (housing, less strain on soils and the infrastructure). For Russia, a population decline has exclusively negative consequences.

And while Russia is obviously still able to get unqualified laborers from Central Asia or China, it is mostly unable to attract any qualified immigrants. By contrast, the West is highly attractive to all kinds of immigrants, even professionals.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 10 2024 03:51pm

To lump them in the same category is nonsensical. Ukraine was a country of 43 million pre-war that lost something like 15 million people, most of them leaving due to the war. Vast majority of the people that left Ukraine were the rich, young and educated, with the old, children and many of the poor/unable to leave. Sad, but that's the honest reality of it.

In contrast Russia saw no where near the declines on a percentage basis. They maybe lost up to ~1 million people leaving to avoid the draft or liberals that disagree with the war, which is way less than the actual people added (given 1/3 of all Ukrainian refugees went to Russia and they also added a fair amount of people from Donbas/Crimea annexation)

And as others have pointed out, their fertility rates are on par with most of Europe. Russia's fertility rate is identical at ~1.5 vs Europe's blended. Your own country and other western wealthier states basically have on par fertility rates because a lot of migrants/refugees coming there from Africa, ME, etc have really high fertility rates. If you were to split away non ethnic Germans, non-ethnic English, French, etc. what you do you think those countries fertility rate would be? You realize they'd be below Russia's right?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/612074/fertility-rates-in-european-countries/

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 10 2024 07:31pm

The working assumption of course has to be that this war will end at some point and a significant chunk of the Ukrainian refugees which are currently sitting in Europe will return. Comparing with Ukraine's population while its cities are being shelled on a near-daily basis is stupid.


Your point about a disproportionate amount of the Western birth rates coming from groups with below average education and productivity is a good one though, I'll give you that.