Quote (IceMage @ Jan 6 2024 08:17am)
Ah yes, the guys on PaRD who truly "care" about Ukraine are those who want them to surrender their country and sovereignty to the Russian army that has raped, tortured, and murdered them since the invasion.
And your(as a group) position from the start was to not help Ukraine, because Russia is scary and the miniscule risk of a larger war is serious, so we should allow the Russians to quickly murder their top government officials and take over their country, with an army with no discipline, which would rape, torture, and murder Ukrainians.
And you fellas think that you are allies of Ukraine.
These are the sort of naive leftist arguments against the CIA years ago which made no sense, but now they come from the nutty right-wing.
I don't think you understand. The CIA doesn't care about Ukrainian lives and is willing to push them to continue the war even when its clearly self-destructive, because they think it serves
our interests. And just like the CIA, I don't care about Ukrainian lives either. I care about American interests, and I think this hurts them. I think that self-interested and rational Ukrainians would realize being a nazi-ethno-nationalist western vassal state isn't worth the extreme cost they're paying when they were better off within the Russian sphere of influence to begin with, but that's their self-determination to make, not mine. Who knows, if US puppet state support dries up, Ukraine may implode just like Afghanistan and Iraq did- not too soon at least. My position from the start is that Ukraine doesn't matter, and what actually affects
us is how we've sundered the US petrodollar hegemony and ended pax americana, showing our economic and military impotence. We demanded the unaligned world follow our lead in putting up a new iron curtain and they sided with Russia instead. Oil traded in RMB and the dollar losing its unquestioned reserve currency status? Weaponizing the banks has a cost.
You know years ago I made the argument Iraq was far better off under Saddam, because it was. I didn't particularly care about the fate of the Iraqi people either, but I cared about America overextending its empire and destabilizing the mideast in a way that backfires on us. And when we withdrew, first Iraq passed into ISIS, now it belongs to Iran. And we managed to consolidate more critical resources and regional support amongst our enemies after expending great blood and treasure of our own, mission accomplished. I'm not a visionary for calling a double headed coin each flip
This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 6 2024 08:34am