That’s fair, as long as you have read what I wrote and thoroughly understood my point (which I still don’t think you do). I am willing to forfeit the argument.

Have you heard of the argument from intelligent design?

Do you observe the natural world with an intelligent maker behind it? Almost like how pure chance cannot be the explanation of how we have ended up in our state of existence.

Scientific research points out that the Big Bang could have easily imploded on itself or exploded into disarray, even if it was microns off from its velocity force. If I could paraphrase one scientist, he said it is the same as someone throwing a ball up into the sky and having the ball finding exactly the velocity gravity especially point, rendering the ball not too close to the earth, and also not too far as to make it go all the way into space. It was a “perfect” throw to make the ball just hang in orbit. The precision was just too perfect.


Again, consider the human DNA, or as you pointed out before, animal DNA that we share with Great Apes. Scientists have said DNA is like a language, an incredibly complicated language that, in my estimation, points to an intelligent designer.

Within the 14 billion years, our earth has only 4.5 billion years to evolve to this complex string of DNA we see today.

Is it even possible? I like to build computers, use computer parts, cpu, mobo, ram, gpu etc. if I took all the capable parts of a singular computer build and put it into a closed system, shake the closed system for billions of years, would it fully assemble a functional working computer?

It would be a miracle to think it would.

I could go into more examples of where I see intelligence within the natural realm, such as laws of physics and how perfectly calibrated it all is, the pre-conditions of life and perfect environment of earth. I see that every living creature on this planet has been given a perfect chance for living and thriving.

Have you considered the argument from intelligent design?

Thank you again for reading.

you might like this thread. even tough i start it with something long most of it is short. maybe give the long vid a chance, i think its worth it
Atheist/antitheist Chit Science
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92846851&f=90

Yes, I heard the argument of intelligent design before, but before I answer your post - and because I dont wanna go in circles again - do you realize that no scientist thinks that the state of our current world as it is, is coincidence? What is theorized to be random is the origin of life. Thats the only random part. This is only theorized about. Abiogenesis is not fully explained but science is also not clueless about it. There is several very good theories about how it could have happened.

If you dont know what science says the whole conversation might be pointless.

nothing has been explained. abiogenesis is a dead end. the best explanation was the RNA world hypothesis and that tripe has been retracted. still remains a mystery why it was ever a paper to begin with. it failing the first time it was tested.......... hard to say how much the evolution "macro" and the atheists/antitheists that have fallen in love with it has harmed science.
the assertion of "junk genes" and how long the so called scientific ran head long with that one............encode project

heres something, I should read it again
Junk no more
https://medicine.yale.edu/news/yale-medicine-magazine/article/junk-no-more/

ya makes me angry some times how atheist/antitheist scientists and their dreamy visions of magical monkeys and the harm that it has brought to the institution of science. what ever happened to. "follow the science to wherever it my lead" ?

This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 11 2023 01:23pm

I didnt say it has been explained

Abiogenesis is not fully explained but science is also not clueless about it. you give it to much credit. there is a reason hardened antitheist and evolutionist "macro" dawkins gives consideration to the creator idea.

No, you give Dawkins too much credit because you have to mention him all the time. Atheists do not publish papers, its scientists.

Abiogenesis is exaxtly what I wrote. Not fully explained, but its not like science is clueless about it. Why dont you just read a few published papers about abiogenesis theories before you mention our friend the atheist grandpa popstar again?

ya no atheist/antitheist scientists cant happen. abiogenesis is a dream tucked into deep time. RNA world hypothesis retracted because it sukd that much, didnt even try to save it. in fact the guy said "we were blinded by our belief"

Day 19: The Servant Israel

How do we know God is good? Isaiah 49 begins as a letter sent out to all nations (v. 1, "the coastlands ... and peoples from afar"),, but it is being read and heard by the people of Israel. Therefore, the writer is essentially talking to everybody. The Jews had been taken into exile and longed to be brought back and they wondered where that salvation would come from. Isaiah makes the wondrous claim that "the servant" (v. 3), who has been prepared for this very hour, will be the one who brings the people back, but the manner would not be through military might, but through the power of his mouth (v. 2). That is, what he says and does will bring real salvation, not just physical deliverance.

The twist comes in the fact that this mysterious servant is named Israel (v. 3) -- and while he is a person, he is the ideal person who embodies all the characteristics the nation of Israel should have had. For this text we need to remember that the nation of Israel was meant to have been a blessing to all nations (Genesis 12), a command they never fulfilled. Who will do so? This man would have to be perfect to be the ideal version of Israel, and then save not just the Jews -- for God to be really glorified (v. 3), he will also have to be "a light to all nations" (v. 6).

We know God is good because he saw his own wayward people and all the rest of the world and brought them back into relationship with him (v. 5). How? Our translation says in v. 6, "that my salvation may reach the ends of the earth," but the Hebrew grammar reads more plainly, "to be my salvation to the ends of the earth." Jesus as the servant is not merely the means to God's salvation but he is that salvation -- through his death and life.

Isaiah 49:1-6

Listen to me, O coastlands,
and give attention, you peoples from afar.
The Lord called me from the womb,
from the body of my mother he named my name.
He made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand he hid me;
he made me a polished arrow;
in his quiver he hid me away.
And he said to me, “You are my servant,
Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
But I said, “I have labored in vain;
I have spent my strength for nothing and vanity;
yet surely my right is with the Lord,
and my recompense with my God.”

And now the Lord says,
he who formed me from the womb to be his servant,
to bring Jacob back to him;
and that Israel might be gathered to him—
for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord,
and my God has become my strength—
he says:
“It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”

Genesis 12:1-3

Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Stay tuned for day 20 of 40.

NAbiogenesis shows that there is intelligent design. this is why books are typically not thought to be made by animals on typewriters but rather by an intelligence creator

so to be atheistic is to ignore abiogenesis mathematics. the mistakes christians make is assuming its just the god of the bible, the mistake you make is chalking up indisputable mathematics to your own cogntive dissonance. the mathematics is 10 to the 164th power. that is the probability of a functional protein lending itself to a fully built human in a world estimated to be billions of years old. It's more likely pigs will grow wings tomorrow and fly than it is for the universe to have been created by chance hypothesis alone.

put that in your pipe and dont smoke it.









abiogenesis disproves atheism, you guys have your facts twisted.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Mar 11 2023 05:52pm