If the US had simply said no to the Ukrainian (and American) adventure (of Ukraine in Nato) there might never have been a war. It's all semantics now of course. The proverbial ship has sailed. Ceding land to Russia in exchange for Nato membership would (in my opinion) NOT have prevented this war, and would not have happened anyway. ("we are all of ukraine, we want to be in nato, and we will cede land to you, russia in order to do this") (russia: no).

It remains to be seen what happens next.

Utter bollocks. Stop passing the buck from Putin, its pathetic.

What's pathetic is your response to valid opinions. Don't you have some random Russian shithole or blown up ship/tank to spam? Stick to what you're good at mate.

I dont pay any attention to his rants anymore tbh. I mean, thats what they are right ? no intelligent argument whatsoever and all he can do is personal attack after personal attack.

Thanks for adding absolutely nothing.

Sticking to what your good at



Utter bollocks. Your position is one of fallacy. Don't expect to claim it is the accepted narrative and not be told otherwise.
You don't pay attention but yet you think my rebuttal is a personal attack?

Which is it?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Dec 29 2023 07:50am

I had a good chat during my holidays with some folks who have convinced me this war was necessary for Ukranians as a nation building experience. The country was divided before across two distinct identities that existed under USSR and had little quarrel with Russia besides the shallow "hurr, durr soviets opressed us". But "soviets" were too of a generic of a group to hate that included Ukranians themselves and you cannot build a nation around it.

This war is forging a new identity using hatred for Russia - hence abundance of absolutely braindead propaganda and requirement of tremendous suffering needed by the common folk in order to ensure generational trauma so that people that lost a brother or a father would never realign with Russia again. Hence the scuttling of a ceasefire and slow deliveries of weapons to ensure Ukraine can’t win, but has to suffer greatly. Sounds extremely cynical.



Here is the buck from our UK experts:


This post was edited by Malopox on Dec 29 2023 08:06am

Here is the future of the Rus Mir, Odessa.

“A Total Russian Collapse Is Surprisingly Close”

This post was edited by Malopox on Dec 29 2023 08:02am

And what? Those are my words because he is British?

Clutching at straws dude.

The updated script is 300k dead and the occasional peppering in of a blown up tank or ship.