you get what you deserve i suppose

No serious scientist ever claimed that the vaccines would provide 100% protection against infection, transmission to others or even death. The key point is that the vaccines reduce the risk of hospitalization as well as the rate of transmission by the vaccinated to others by a big factor. And they reduce the risk of death to almost (but not exactly) zero.

If 0.05% or so of the fully vaccinated who get infected die, predominantly the old and/or multimorbid, then that's a socially acceptable death toll. Of course no public figure will be blunt enough to say this loud. Similarly, if the vaccines provide a 93% or so protection against hospitalization, this pretty much eliminates the risk of overwhelming the healthcare system once 80+% of the adults aged 40+ have been fully vaccinated.

The big problem right now is that the vaccination campaign is stalling at a rate which, by itself, is still too low to prevent the scenario of overwhelmed hospitals once the next wave soars up this coming fall/winter. That's why all the public figures and experts are using alarmist language right now. It takes a minimum of 5 weeks between the first jab and being fully protected, so the timing doesn't pan out if we wait until hospitals start cracking under the pressure again.

If we wait until we have 200k+ daily cases again in early November, it's too late for those who are currently reluctant or simply too lazy, to realize their mistake and get vaccinated. A change of heart at that point in time will come too late to stop the ongoing wave before it overwhelms the hospitals. At that point, the only options left would be new lockdowns or triaging those who are unvaccinated without medical excuse. (I, of course, strongly prefer the latter...)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 11 2021 05:20am

0.5% deaths are higher death rates than covid death rates. people dying on covid were on average 75 or whatever.
thought that's a socially acceptable death toll to develop herd immunity and keep living normally. instead we destroyed hundreds of millions of lives by ruining economy cos 0.1% retired folks died of covid.
cmon

some people said that during 2020. but were insulted by pro vaccine people cos "every life matters".
not anymore i guess

This post was edited by SylvesterStallone on Jul 11 2021 05:41am

Death rate varies alot, example: 2.3% in Croatia, at world level it's far above 0.5% btw.
The most important: death rate is that low BECAUSE some restrictions (masks, and later vaccines) were deployed.

Completely destroyed in two sentences.

Death rate is much lower than that because it is completely impossible to list all covid cases especially when most cases are asymptomatic and especially in countries lacking of everything
Death rate was already low before vaccination. in addition delta variant seems to be less lethal, and vaccinated people still dies in hospitals in france.

also you are obese so your opinion is still invalid

You can have been raised by a piece of shit, okay, but you still have no right to insult me in these forums.

Simple example: someone who had no major issue with Alpha can fall with Delta...
Almost all people dying are unvaccinated assholes. Your statements are delirious, nothing new.
Vaccination is usefull to avoid ICU or Death... Without vaccination or restrictions it's a pretty epic scenario: since it has been avoided we still have deniers that will claim Covid never was a threat....
What's happening in Indonesia or in Russia is insane.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

Vaccinated means 2 or even 3 shots (soon). And with an effective or relatively effectiv vaccine. Much worried by the recent Sinovac rumors btw...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jul 11 2021 07:17am

ok lets do this quickly

Population: 4.076 million
Deaths: 8,227
Percentage: 0.00020567500000000003%
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

According to your 2.3% trash, croatia lost 92000 people to covid.



only thing you destroyed was your life with a poor choice of diet my dear fat friend

Forgive saucisson for not knowing the difference between death and lethal rates

Count him in lmao

"French mortality is 0.95%, or about one in a hundred people die each year, all causes of death combined.
Mortality figures may relate to a more specific cause, such as some type of accident, lifestyle or illness, but the report always tells the entire population.
Thus, over the entire French population: 0.25% die each year from a cardiovascular cause; 0.25% from cancer; 0.19% by alcohol or tobacco; 0.09% from infectious disease; 0.03% by a medicament; 0.018% by suicide, etc."
https://lucperino.com/101/mortalite-ou-letalite.html

it was a news clip. bill gates actually says weird stuff like that. you dont seem to be one of the covidiots so what are you even talking to me for?

its not a vaccine. it is experimental mRNA gene therapy. it doesnt automatically fall into place with all that statement, not even close. you cant just slap a "vaccine" label on something and then its automatically a "vaccine".