They sent their whole arsenal or only thoughts and prayers?

Hot take: NATO mic is too large and using other countries, it must be stopped.

Other hot take: Nato mic produces 3 tanks a month and all it sent was thoughts and prayers.

I didn't realize Ukraine was NATO...

It was sarcasm, summarizing the inconsistent vatnik bs posted here on regular basis, where each new post develops and contradicts the preceding one.

Tankies are unwilling to examine real statistics, as the USA "provided" Ukraine with a mere 1.5% of its annual defense budget over the past two years in total. The majority of this assistance stayed within the US, actually strengthening its capabilities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/29/ukraine-military-aid-american-economy-boost/

We didn't give them any nukes, we didn't give them any aircraft carriers, we didn't give them our pentagon budget allocated for medicare retiree health fund contributions, family housing, childcare development centers, PFAS cleanup or AI systems development.
The issue isn't what % of the budget materials are or what % of the budget we give them. The issue is whether what we give them actually produces results. We shipped a whole lot of advanced weapons systems into the hands of 50 year old neonazis and Western Ukraine is teetering on the brink of implosion.

Every time the uss carney shot down a houthi drone it cost the US taxpayer(tm) between 1-11.5 million pesos.

The US is dumping debt in terms of hardware aka
Thoughts and prayers

Goes back to Obama not breaking stride when Putin annexed Crimea and armed separatists in the Donbas.
Merkel has blood on her hands aswell.

Appeasement has never worked. Agree with your point on producing results.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Dec 17 2023 03:41pm

For the past two years, there has been a continuous assertion that Ukraine is on the brink of collapse. Initially, this claim seemed plausible during the Russian advance with a 50-mile column of military technology towards the Ukrainian capital. It also held some merit when there was a potential risk of swift Russian progression in the south, which could cut off Ukraine's access to the Black Sea entirely. However, over the past 18 months, the situation has evolved into a repetitive cycle, with the same five villages changing hands repeatedly. The only notable military success for Russia during this period has been the capture of Bakmat.

The armed forces of Ukraine consist of 1.2 million personnel, and only a small fraction, less than 4-5%, are currently deployed in combat zones. Neo-Nazies are effectively eliminating Russian fascists, nothing wrong with that.

Ah, gotcha...Usually I can detect that but every now and then...

Well there was a lot of back and forth reciprocal escalation by that point, after Obama's failed 'reset'. Obama's main jab against Putin was to try to bleed them in Syria to fight rebels, but it backfired on us in the most catastrophic way possible as Putin used his jiu jitsu by simply letting Syria fester instead of engaging it, unleashing a tidal wave of refugees on the EU and spawning ISIS and within a few years Obama was right back there handing Syria to Putin on a silver platter. Its the example I've pointed to so many times of how Obama went into office with a doctrine of 'be pragmatic instead of repeating Bush's mistaken interventions' only to fuck up everything anyway. I mean you can only be as pragmatic as you are competent. But yeah all that preceded the 2014 Maidan coup supported by the US, which Putin immediately followed by annexing Crimea and sending in his little green men and the slow burning civil war that followed.

I think the whole idea of 'appeasement vs aggression' is a false dichotomy. Its a matter of being aggressive when it works, backing off when it doesn't. If Joe Biden was actually willing to put up the display of military force and threats required to make Putin back down before the 2021 invasion, that would be a successful use of sabre rattling. But instead Joe Biden greenlit the invasion and told Putin we wouldn't stop him. Pretty stark contrast from Trump's bombastic apocalyptic threats of destruction to bring the DPRK to more peaceful relations. Put on a weak face and Putin will walk right over you. And when he did walk over Biden, Biden employed that stupid half-measure response that has sparked a bloody and disastrous conflict, another wave of refugees, locked up global food and energy and supply chains, put the iron curtain back in place and undermined our geopolitical hegemony of the petrodollar all at the same time. Again as I've said so many times.