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May 28 2020 04:44pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ 28 May 2020 18:41)
Yeah, Minnesota law doesn't allow for defense of property as justification for maiming/killing looters.

i personally dont agree with defense of property as justification for killing intruders. is there a statue in MN law for killing intruders as a defense of one’s own life?
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Quote (Surfpunk @ May 28 2020 05:41pm)
Yeah, Minnesota law doesn't allow for defense of property as justification for maiming/killing looters.


not exactly accurate

Minnesota is a duty to retreat state, but that doesn't apply to occupied buildings.
A store owner inside his own property has no duty to retreat and can legally claim self defense as a justification to kill someone threatening his life
but that doesn't apply out of a threat solely to property

if the pawn shop owner saw violent looters swarming him and reasonably felt afraid for his life, he has a valid self defense argument in minnesota.
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i personally dont agree with defense of property as justification for killing intruders. is there a statue in MN law for killing intruders as a defense of one’s own life?


Defense of life or the life of another is justified use of deadly force (where a reasonable expectation of great harm is present - that birder in Central Park would not have been justified in shooting Amy Cooper, as far as that statute is concerned).
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Quote (Goomshill @ May 28 2020 05:50pm)
not exactly accurate

Minnesota is a duty to retreat state, but that doesn't apply to occupied buildings.
A store owner inside his own property has no duty to retreat and can legally claim self defense as a justification to kill someone threatening his life
but that doesn't apply out of a threat solely to property

if the pawn shop owner saw violent looters swarming him and reasonably felt afraid for his life, he has a valid self defense argument in minnesota.


Yeah, defense of life is the key. If there are looters inside, but you have no reasonable expectation of great harm to you or another from their actions, then it would not be justification to shoot them. That's a pretty blurry line though, regarding people inside the structure with you or others.
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I have explicitely said Im not interested in if it was justified or not.

I have worked in a large company. Corporate takes hours to respond to total emergencies and the target was kinda burned so corporate is hardly going to send a rep to fire him before.... things happened.


I'm saying that it is highly unlikely that a Target manager made a career ending move like this.

You're taking the word of rioters who are currently on a crime spree like few others. Rape, murder, theft, to say that your belief in them is ambitious is an understatement.
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Defense of life or the life of another is justified use of deadly force (where a reasonable expectation of great harm is present - that birder in Central Park would not have been justified in shooting Amy Cooper, as far as that statute is concerned).

okay thats a good reasonable statue. i’d say a large group smashing your windows in violently could reasonably be aruged as a reasonable expectation of great harm. but im no lawyer
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/28/amy-klobuchar-passed-prosecuting-derek-chauvin-min/

we can definitely rule out Amy Klobuchar as Biden's VP
that's a double dose of black support baggage, BLM would revolt
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okay thats a good reasonable statue. i’d say a large group smashing your windows in violently could reasonably be aruged as a reasonable expectation of great harm. but im no lawyer


There's a better case for it there, for sure. If you're inside the building, but are holed up in a room out of sight from looters, and none of them make any overtly hostile moves in your direction, then that's much harder to justify self defense.
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May 28 2020 05:00pm
Imagine caring that Target gets looted.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/28/amy-klobuchar-passed-prosecuting-derek-chauvin-min/

we can definitely rule out Amy Klobuchar as Biden's VP
that's a double dose of black support baggage, BLM would revolt


Not news to those of us who have lived here for years (other than anything specific related to Chauvin). She and Mike Freeman, her successor in the DA's office, both gave MPD a pass on a great amount of misconduct.
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