Wow cool!

Wait until he sees how much the USSR lost while winning the war against Nazi Germany.

Apples and oranges, World War 2 was an existential threat to Russia, it had no choice.

Ukraine does not pose such a threat to Russia, this is similar to Winter+Continuation War where 550,000 dead Russians+some land did the job.

Considering the deep historical connections between Ukraine and Russia, 550,000 dead Russians may not suffice; the figure may need to reach around 700,000-900,000. At that point, Ukraine might have to officially cede Crimea and the Eastern Parts still under Russian control at that point, assuming Putin's regime doesn't collapse by then.

It would be intriguing to observe the aftermath if Putin were to pass away naturally, as Russia lacks a clear successor. It's ironic how dictatorships, constructed around the concentration of power, tend to unravel in chaotic disarray when that focal point dissolves.

Regardless, Ukraine needs to get killing, additional 400,000-600,000 dead or severely wounded Russians is the key here.

This post was edited by Uber23 on Dec 12 2023 04:41pm

Plausible speculation, not emotional or unhinged. Miracle

I would add tho, it is a risky venture/position. Russia military spending increased by 70% (obv a bit less, as ruble lost value but gotta factor in in PPP, so i would argue it is still a massive inc of resources for the military) for 2024, so unless the next major offensive is completely loopsided, 1 offensive won´t be the end of it. Could also be that there won´t be any real offensive, but rather attrition with small incursions all over the from, what happens then, when do you call it quits?

Personally I see that Russia is building up a massive reserve and gearing up production hard, for a very long sustained offensive rather than a large arrow.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Dec 12 2023 05:31pm

Gulag and Holomordor, let's talk about this.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Dec 12 2023 05:22pm

help the pool people

Imho, there is no longer an expectation of Ukraine going on the counteroffensive again, not even after they have beaten back a hypothetical Russian winter or spring offense. I think that ship has sailed, and almost everybody knows it. Maybe not in the president's bunker in Kyiv, but the Ukrainian generals are well aware of how miserably their 2023 counteroffensive failed.



What you still don't really want to address is that both sides must agree that "the time for peace is now". Short of an unconditional surrender, Ukraine has no way to unilaterally end this war. As long as Russia believes that Ukraine will crumble, or lose a critical amount of Western support, their calculus is that they will eventually get everything they want if only the war goes on long enough. Why should they agree to a reasonable negotiated peace under these circumstances? The political damage has already been done anyway, they've already alienated the West about as much as possible and their military already got exposed as overrated.

A failed Russian offense has the potential to change this calculus by showing Putin that the cost in terms of soldiers, gear and money for continuing the war will be gigantic, so that it might be better to take a Ukrainian proposal in which he gets 70% of what he wanted. Right now, he thinks that his military has weathered the storm of the surge in Ukrainian strength after the massive arms supplies from NATO; and that things will get easier for Russia from here on out.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 12 2023 05:48pm

lol if you think 87% of russian troops are dead you're reading iwroteitmyselfnews.com, secondly if you think Russia losing its tax data to Ukraine vs Russia knocking out half of their countries telecoms is any way a level scale well, I wont debate with you in this thread again.

Its just a matter of time before Ukraine over throws Zelensky for betraying his country at the hands of money to the US

the propaganda knows no boundaries, only idiots believe these reported casualties, absolutely ridiculous

the west reports stalingrad numbers and the kremlin a neighborhood gunfight, so far so good

ukraine is not giving real numbers and the pentagon reports are just as good as putins

but since the failed ukranian offensive we have reached peak absurdity

for months ukraine attacked solid russian defensive positions with russia having both artillery and air superiority, but russia suffered more casualties



this has literally never even remotely happened in history

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This post was edited by ChatGPT on Dec 12 2023 07:43pm