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Dec 10 2023 02:28pm
Right on cue :rolleyes:
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Dec 10 2023 10:11pm
Quote (Djunior @ 10 Dec 2023 21:15)
And now the country is completely wrecked. Imagine trying to sell this as a win. Can't make this shit up


Is anyone claiming that Ukraine will come out of this war in better shape than they were going in?

On the flip side, if Ukraine doesn't eventually collapse and surrender unconditionally, this war will have been a disaster for Russia too. They already controlled Crimea and the Donbass before their invasion; NATO accession was effectively impossible. If they don't get all of Ukraine in the end, they will have fought a lengthy and extremely costly war, exposed their military as a paper tiger to the whole world, burnt through a good chunk of their Soviet era ammo and gear, pushed Ukraine even more toward the EU, and permanently alienated the best customers of their fossil exports... all just to seize control of a tiny strip of land between Crimea and Donbass. They could have built an artificial land connection to Crimea through the Kerch Strait made of pure gold for half the price tag, lol.

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Dec 10 2023 10:17pm
Russia lost 100 years of progress and is a pariah 🤪
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Dec 10 2023 12:12pm)
Ukraine was meant to lose in a matter of weeks. At this point we are mocking the revisionist warmongering shills.


So would you say that the French "won" the Franco-Prussian war because Prussia only annexed 2 provinces and not the entire country?
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Dec 11 2023 03:29am
FT keeps throwing Zelensky under the bus. Time for a new colonial administrator in Ukraine.

https://www.ft.com/content/7ec4e810-33e3-44ca-8744-e01cb9f82c28

Quite candid quotes that should put to shame our local warmongers if they had a yota of honesty:

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An example was Ukraine’s frequent use of “counterpropaganda” during the 10-month battle for the east Ukrainian town of Bakhmut, the former staffer said. This mirrored Russian tactics in trying to maintain an image of success, while western partners were telling Kyiv that Bakhmut was not worth the enormous losses.

Official channels on Telegram and other social media branded the fight with slogans such as “Fortress Bakhmut” and “unbreakable” Bakhmut — which disappeared in the days before Russia declared victory in May. Zelenskyy never officially acknowledged Ukraine’s retreat from Bakhmut, and in June the defence ministry presented continued Ukrainian attacks from the edge of the town as evidence it had not lost the battle.

The communications package covered up “the incredible levels of exhaustion, the suffering of thousands of families, enormous numbers of daily deaths, the tension and doubt”, said the former staffer. By glossing over bad news, the view from abroad was of “two propagandists fighting propaganda narratives”.


Ukraine should realize and do what’s best for its people and stop being a disposable puppet in a tight grasp of American military-industrial complex.

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Quote (Malopox @ Dec 11 2023 11:29am)
FT keeps throwing Zelensky under the bus. Time for a new colonial administrator in Ukraine.

https://www.ft.com/content/7ec4e810-33e3-44ca-8744-e01cb9f82c28

Quite candid quotes that should put to shame our local warmongers if they had a yota of honesty:



Ukraine should realize and do what’s best for its people and stop being a disposable puppet in a tight grasp of American military-industrial complex.


Russia should realize what's best for it's people and dispose of Putin.

You should go live under Putins regime instead of the evil west you hate.

Funny how that works huh?
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Dec 11 2023 03:52am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 11 2023 05:11am)
Is anyone claiming that Ukraine will come out of this war in better shape than they were going in?

On the flip side, if Ukraine doesn't eventually collapse and surrender unconditionally, this war will have been a disaster for Russia too. They already controlled Crimea and the Donbass before their invasion; NATO accession was effectively impossible. If they don't get all of Ukraine in the end, they will have fought a lengthy and extremely costly war, exposed their military as a paper tiger to the whole world, burnt through a good chunk of their Soviet era ammo and gear, pushed Ukraine even more toward the EU, and permanently alienated the best customers of their fossil exports... all just to seize control of a tiny strip of land between Crimea and Donbass. They could have built an artificial land connection to Crimea through the Kerch Strait made of pure gold for half the price tag, lol.


The answer is Yesthe pro Ukraine camp is claiming that Ukraine must become a NATO member / EU member because that's way better for them than just being neutral and just have normal relations with Russia. Ukraine's win will be NATO / EU membership.

The fact is that relations with Russia will never be normal again once Ukraine becomes a NATO member, it will be Iron Curtain 2.0 and Cold War 2.0 with insanely high cost associated for both sides (armaments race etc) just like Cold War 1.0.

All of this is crystal clear, I don't get why you're even trying. NATO's expansion war (insisting to reel in a corrupt, impoverished country that has nothing to offer other than their geographical location) has turned into a complete disaster and has completely reset all progress made since 1991.

Nothing new here, the West routinely fucks up when interfering in other nations' politics but hey some people never learn <_<


I expected you to reply in the EU topic btw where I posted about the catastrophic German balance sheet showing Germany's manufacturing economy is slowly going down the drain because of all of this but you let it slip...

This post was edited by Djunior on Dec 11 2023 04:11am
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Dec 11 2023 03:54am
Quote (Uber23 @ Dec 11 2023 09:50am)
Russia should realize what's best for it's people and dispose of Putin.

You should go live under Putins regime instead of the evil west you hate.

Funny how that works huh?


what you are doing is throwing personal attacks again and again and again. its all you do. there is zero evidence to support the notion you are able to reason or argue your point.

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Quote (ferdia @ Dec 11 2023 11:54am)
what you are doing is throw personal attacks. there is zero evidence to support the notion you are able to reason or argue your point.


How so? Wouldn't Russia be better off without Putins corrupt regime? It's literally the most corrupt "white" country on the face of the earth lol. Sorry I offended you and your Russian Putinist buddy manchild, its sad indictment of your below par level of education and cognitive abilities.



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