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Dec 10 2023 03:20am
Utter nonsense.

Putin could not have a democratic Ukraine become part of the EU or NATO if it included Russian speakers. An existential threat to his power. Not to Russians. To Putin.

This is why hundreds of thousands are dying needlessly. Not because Ukraine, NATO or Ukraine in NATO are a threat to Russia.
Before 2014 illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia NATO had around 5,000 troops in its eastern nations, the Baltics in particular.

This idea of NATO posing a threat to Russians is a red herring. As evidenced by Europeans countries dependence on Russia for natural gas pre 2022.
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Dec 10 2023 03:32am
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Everything you posted seems to prove my point.

1) Cuba is in dire economic situation due to decades of illegal and questionable economic war waged by the United States even though Castro has been dead for a long time. There is absolutely no need to keep the sanctions in place on a tiny island of ~10M people as those do not present any political, military or economical threat. Yet both United States and Israel vote to keep inhuman economic blockade of the island in place. This will inevitably drive Cuba into the arms of those who are willing to support it - Russian, China, Iran and so on.

2) If you truly believe Russia is in dire need of what, 20 extra fighters that don't even speak Russian and Ukrainian freedom fighters are going to collapse because of it - I'm going to break bad news to you son. Is Vladimir bin Zelensky a nice new moniker for disillusioned Ukranian leadership once US jettisons them? IF anything Ukraine has lost thousands of foreign mercenaries as KIAs, MIAs and POWs. The most humiliating I've seen is probably this British kid Aidan - who was all arrogant online, posting NAFO memes, but changed his tone real quick once shit hit the fan and he got captured together with Azov nazis and almost got executed (mercenaries get no protection under Geneva convention like e.g. Ukrainian POWs and nobody is going to miss them).

3) If anything - I have not posted many Russian sources in this thread and rely almost exclusively on Western (US, UK, Dutch) sources to explain my position and my arguments. Most of these arguments have stood the time and I have not seen even a meager attempt to discuss them - instead the likes of you try to divert the discussion elsewhere with whataboutism and personal attacks. My position about this war is well known to posters here and I regret the fact that people that were able to articulate their thought and hold a debate opposite me have gotten bored and left this subforum. Instead we now have some brainless NAFO zombies reposting stale memes and attacking posters because they are unable to string together more than 3 sentences.

Again my question to you: what do you think will happen if Cuba will again station Russian or Chinese nuclear submarines and Avangard MIRV nukes (in exchange for infrastructure development or economic favors or whatever)? Is that allowed according to international law and realpolitik? Cuba seems eerily close to be the Taiwan of United States - an unsinkable aircraft carrier which is difficult to attack (remember the Bay of Pigs humiliation suffered by the strongest military in the world?).



The most humiliating is when Russians POWS start crying their eyes out, claiming this war is nonsense and that Ukraine is right then by your logic. The change of their ideology can only be compared to that of communists in Russia who turned into democrats in matter of days during the 1990 lol.

You just said that that Cuban merc is fine and well... While his mother stated: “I don’t know if my son is alive. We don’t know anything,” she said. “What I would like is to talk to him.”

Seems like your Russian origins make you overlook the sad truth about your dear homeland. At least "publicly" in this forum, we all know you made your choice by leaving Russia to pay taxes in the Netherlands, that are used to decimate your fellow brothers.

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Dec 10 2023 03:41am
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The most humiliating is when Russians POWS start crying their eyes out, claiming this war is nonsense and that Ukraine is right then by your logic. The change of their ideology can only be compared to that of communists in Russia who turned into democrats in matter of days during the 1990 lol.

You just said that that Cuban merc is fine and well... While his mother stated: “I don’t know if my son is alive. We don’t know anything,” she said. “What I would like is to talk to him.”

Seems like your Russian origins make you overlook the sad truth about your dear homeland. At least "publicly" in this forum, we all know you made your choice by leaving Russia to pay taxes in Netherlands, that are used to decimate your fellow brothers.


You have yet again completely deflected everything that I said ignoring every single argument that I made. Are you out of arguments? You should post some NAFO memes dehumanizing Russians. That will surely help.

If you are unable to hold a debate on the merits of the argument alone and need to invoke my assumed nationality or place of residence - you have lost before you even started typing your message out.

There are 6 million Russian citizens living in Europe officially, 25 million who identify as Russian speakers and god knows how many second and third generation that no longer speaks Russian (eg in France and Germany) - you need a wider net to catch them all. How about perhaps you learn from the likes of a former NATO general Petr Pavel? https://www.politico.eu/article/petr-pavel-russia-czech-republic-surveillance/

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Quote (Malopox @ Dec 10 2023 03:17am)
Everything you posted seems to prove my point.

1) Cuba is in dire economic situation due to decades of illegal and questionable economic war waged by the United States even though Castro has been dead for a long time. There is absolutely no need to keep the sanctions in place on a tiny island of ~10M people as those do not present any political, military or economical threat. Yet both United States and Israel vote to keep inhuman economic blockade of the island in place. This will inevitably drive Cuba into the arms of those who are willing to support it - Russian, China, Iran and so on.

2) If you truly believe Russia is in dire need of what, 20 extra fighters that don't even speak Russian and Ukrainian freedom fighters are going to collapse because of it - I'm going to break bad news to you son. Is Vladimir bin Zelensky a nice new moniker for disillusioned Ukranian leadership once US jettisons them? IF anything Ukraine has lost thousands of foreign mercenaries as KIAs, MIAs and POWs. The most humiliating I've seen is probably this British kid Aidan - who was all arrogant online, posting NAFO memes, but changed his tone real quick once shit hit the fan and he got captured together with Azov nazis and almost got executed (mercenaries get no protection under Geneva convention like e.g. Ukrainian POWs and nobody is going to miss them).

3) If anything - I have not posted many Russian sources in this thread and rely almost exclusively on Western (US, UK, Dutch) sources to explain my position and my arguments. Most of these arguments have stood the time and I have not seen even a meager attempt to discuss them - instead the likes of you try to divert the discussion elsewhere with whataboutism and personal attacks. My position about this war is well known to posters here and I regret the fact that people that were able to articulate their thought and hold a debate opposite me have gotten bored and left this subforum. Instead we now have some brainless NAFO zombies reposting stale memes and attacking posters because they are unable to string together more than 3 sentences.

Again my question to you: what do you think will happen if Cuba will again station Russian or Chinese nuclear submarines and Avangard MIRV nukes (in exchange for infrastructure development or economic favors or whatever)? Is that allowed according to international law and realpolitik? Cuba seems eerily close to be the Taiwan of United States - an unsinkable aircraft carrier which is difficult to attack (remember the Bay of Pigs humiliation suffered by the strongest military in the world?).





Their tone changed real quick when they where captured among with other orc fascists from Russian fascist federation.
So humiliating lol
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Dec 10 2023 03:42am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udu5CNsMlF0


Their tone changed real quick when they where captured among with other orc fascists from Russian fascist federation.
So humiliating lol


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Dec 10 2023 03:43am
There you go - stale one year old NAFO meme documenting a Ukrainian war crime.

Why is this still on YouTube?

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Dec 10 2023 03:45am
Quote (Malopox @ Dec 10 2023 03:43am)
There you go - stale one year old NAFO meme documenting an Ukrainian war crime.

Why is this still on YouTube?




Russian PoW similar to yourself lol, he called Ukrainians nazis and fascists, until they saved his life and realized he was the fascist nazi all along lol
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Dec 10 2023 04:00am
"“The Ministry of Defense is trying to deceive the public and the president and spin the story that there were insane levels of aggression from the Ukrainian side and that they were going to attack us together with the whole NATO bloc,” Prigozhin said on his Telegram channel on June 23. The truth, he said, was that “there was nothing extraordinary happening on the eve of February 24,” the day last year when Russian invaded. Ukraine was not planning any kind of attack against Russia, he added.
Russia’s invasion “was started for a completely different reason,” Prigozhin said. “What was the war for? The war was needed for Shoigu to receive a hero star. … The oligarchic clan that rules Russia needed the war,” he said. “The mentally ill scumbags decided: ‘It’s OK, we’ll throw in a few thousand more Russian men as cannon fodder. They’ll die under artillery fire, but we’ll get what we want.’”
“Shoigu killed thousands of the most combat-ready Russian soldiers in the first days of the war,” Prigozhin said, adding that the invasion began even as Zelenskyy and Ukraine were eager for peace. The Ukrainian leader “was ready for agreements. All that needed to be done was to get off Mount Olympus and negotiate with him.”"

The words of Russia's most successful general to date in the Ukrainian war. When I say general assume I also mean warlord.
This honesty by Prigozhin along with his actions, got him killed; So perhaps that is why some posters here tend to err on the side of untruthfulness.

Remain vigilant, their hypocrisy will become ever more apparent.

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"“The Ministry of Defense is trying to deceive the public and the president and spin the story that there were insane levels of aggression from the Ukrainian side and that they were going to attack us together with the whole NATO bloc,” Prigozhin said on his Telegram channel on June 23. The truth, he said, was that “there was nothing extraordinary happening on the eve of February 24,” the day last year when Russian invaded. Ukraine was not planning any kind of attack against Russia, he added.
Russia’s invasion “was started for a completely different reason,” Prigozhin said. “What was the war for? The war was needed for Shoigu to receive a hero star. … The oligarchic clan that rules Russia needed the war,” he said. “The mentally ill scumbags decided: ‘It’s OK, we’ll throw in a few thousand more Russian men as cannon fodder. They’ll die under artillery fire, but we’ll get what we want.’”
“Shoigu killed thousands of the most combat-ready Russian soldiers in the first days of the war,” Prigozhin said, adding that the invasion began even as Zelenskyy and Ukraine were eager for peace. The Ukrainian leader “was ready for agreements. All that needed to be done was to get off Mount Olympus and negotiate with him.”"

The words of Russia's most successful general to date in the Ukrainian war. When I say general assume I also mean warlord.
This honesty by Prigozhin along with his actions, got him killed; So perhaps that is why some posters here tend to err on the side of untruthfulness.

Remain vigilant, their hypocrisy will become ever more apparent.


This is completely made up though. Eg none of the posts made by Prigozhin on 23rd of June mention the word negotiations or Zelensky.

If you find and Google translate his posts from Russian - it’s very different message.

I’m going to spare you the humiliation this time. Is it 5:1 or 6:1 now?

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"“The Ministry of Defense is trying to deceive the public and the president and spin the story that there were insane levels of aggression from the Ukrainian side and that they were going to attack us together with the whole NATO bloc,” Prigozhin said on his Telegram channel on June 23. The truth, he said, was that “there was nothing extraordinary happening on the eve of February 24,” the day last year when Russian invaded. Ukraine was not planning any kind of attack against Russia, he added.
Russia’s invasion “was started for a completely different reason,” Prigozhin said. “What was the war for? The war was needed for Shoigu to receive a hero star. … The oligarchic clan that rules Russia needed the war,” he said. “The mentally ill scumbags decided: ‘It’s OK, we’ll throw in a few thousand more Russian men as cannon fodder. They’ll die under artillery fire, but we’ll get what we want.’”
“Shoigu killed thousands of the most combat-ready Russian soldiers in the first days of the war,” Prigozhin said, adding that the invasion began even as Zelenskyy and Ukraine were eager for peace. The Ukrainian leader “was ready for agreements. All that needed to be done was to get off Mount Olympus and negotiate with him.”"

The words of Russia's most successful general to date in the Ukrainian war. When I say general assume I also mean warlord.
This honesty by Prigozhin along with his actions, got him killed; So perhaps that is why some posters here tend to err on the side of untruthfulness.

Remain vigilant, their hypocrisy will become ever more apparent.


Success comes with price in Russia

The most popular ways of payment:

1) Window/Balcony

2) Stabbing yourself 17 times

3) 2 shots in the back of your head

This dude refused to pay through regular means, so choice was made for him instead. Plane explosion assassination

or How Malopox believes it happened:

He and his buddies got drunk and started throwing grenades at each other, during the flight lol




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