I actually went ahead and googled that last picture of a woman holding the phone with a picture of a guy. He seems to be alive and well, serving in Russia. The article describes the complete horror and devastation inflicted by decades of unlawful sanctions on Cuba by the United States and supported by Israel. Here is a list of the most embarrasing votes over the past years whereby US refuses to lift sanctions for now reason and out of spite. European Union and Russia fully support Cuba and you are able to travel and trade with Cuba out of Europe and Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/whatsapp-war-how-cubans-were-recruited-fight-russia-2023-09-30/



A lot of these Cubans seem to be eager to help their "brothers" who never turned away from them, neither as Soviet Union nor as Russia.





Next thing we know - Russia should set up a military base with nuclear missiles in Cuba. After all - they are free to choose whom to ally with - just like Ukraine right?

I think it is funny to see how NAFO propaganda that our friend here consumes - has been scraping the barrel of shit they want to smear.

This post was edited by Malopox on Dec 10 2023 02:16am

https://time.com/6314093/russia-recruiting-cubans-ukraine-war/

Interesting, even if so it's just matter of time if it hasn't happened already lol. “I don’t know if my son is alive. We don’t know anything,” she said. “What I would like is to talk to him.” I guess you know better if he is alive or not than his mother.


This prompts the bigger question though, If Russia has never ending supply of men willing to fight its dumb war in the Ukraine, why go through the trouble of paying someone to fly across the globe and fight in your army?
The Kremlin propaganda you inject yourself with intravenously clearly states there are next to no losses. So how come you are sitting in Netherlands supporting your fascist dictator and not on the battlefields of the Ukraine? Aren't you ashamed some poor Cuban took your place in the ranks of Russian army?


And if Cuba is so supportive of Russia why did they took down Russian recruitment operations? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/08/cuba-ukraine-russia-recruitment-network

Aren't you brothers in communism? Seems like they are more eager to not die of hunger in a failed Cuban state that allied itself with Russia for far too long.

This post was edited by Uber23 on Dec 10 2023 02:48am

sorry, i cant quote you as my post might get reported, noting you are doing yet another personal attack. If you want to refute a point made do that, dont flame. I guess thats how you got here though?

TLDR: This post of yours is another example of deflection and insults, if you want to refute him you should comment on the prospect of Russian Nuclear missiles in Cuba, or Chinese Nuclear missiles in Mexico.

at least you edited your post. thanks.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 10 2023 02:52am

You do realize Mexico is under USA patronage right? It's the same pattern of imbecilic thought as asking "What if China puts nuclear missiles in Canada"

+ Russia does not have capability anymore to maintain auxiliary forces necessary for such deployment, it's not Soviet Union buddy. Apple+Google+Walmart = size of Russian economy on their own haha

This post was edited by Uber23 on Dec 10 2023 03:00am

So we've arrived at this destination now. Those that seek to justify Putin's war of choice are comparing the Cuban missile crisis of 1962 with Ukraine's alliance with western nations; Or actually any nation that isn't Russia, because that is what they mean.
Yes THAT Cuban missile crisis the one that occurred 51, count them, 51 years ago; Lets say half a century though it doesn't sound quite as ridiculous.

Now we can address the hypothetical gymnastics of considering Russia or China station a nuclear weapon in the Caribbean. By considering this we could understand the effect of a great power to another power stationing destructive weapons close to its borders.
But wait, we don't have to imagine that! Because Kaliningrad already exists

The desperation is starting to reek. Its pathetic.

Just come out and say, "I think Russia deserves a revisionist sphere of influence and that comes at the detriment of Ukrainians"
Then we could possibly take you more seriously. After all as the disciples of Mearsheimer it would be understandable.


This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Dec 10 2023 03:07am

This destination just like 5 or 6 others has been arrived at and departed from all thread long, it's one of those dumb arguments Malopox thinks are really smart.

What he fails to realize is that world changed since 1960s (What being closed off from rest of the world for like 70 years, like a caged animal, does to you).

He still thinks Cuba dreams of nuclear arsenal deployed on its land lol

Can't make this shit up

yes but thats the point, Ukraine is within Russia's sphere of influence just as Mexico is in the US sphere of influence, that's why this comparison has repeated been made. We have gone over this several times. The US put nuclear missiles in Turkey, Russia could do nothing about it so when the opportunity presented itself Russia responded by putting nuclear missiles in Cuba. This led to the Cuban missile crisis. The US president then agreed with Russia to take the nuclear missiles out of Turkey and Russia backed down, taking its own missiles out of Cuba. At the moment we have it all over again, the US is weaponizing Ukraine, Russia protested, but is now doing something about it. We have gone over this point repeated.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 10 2023 03:11am

Ukraine broke off Russian sphere of influence since like 2015, Ukraine is in Russian sphere of interest, but not influence, big difference between the two. In fact nobody listens to what Russia wants in Ukraine at the moment.

Point is, Russia has lost its capability to wage/fund global proxy-wars, it's too poor and does not have the necessary means in place to do so. After Ukraine it won't be able to do so in its own backyard even.

Everything you posted seems to prove my point.

1) Cuba is in dire economic situation due to decades of illegal and questionable economic war waged by the United States even though Castro has been dead for a long time. There is absolutely no need to keep the sanctions in place on a tiny island of ~10M people as those do not present any political, military or economical threat. Yet both United States and Israel vote to keep inhuman economic blockade of the island in place. This will inevitably drive Cuba into the arms of those who are willing to support it - Russian, China, Iran and so on.

2) If you truly believe Russia is in dire need of what, 20 extra fighters that don't even speak Russian and Ukrainian freedom fighters are going to collapse because of it - I'm going to break bad news to you son. Is Vladimir bin Zelensky a nice new moniker for disillusioned Ukranian leadership once US jettisons them? IF anything Ukraine has lost thousands of foreign mercenaries as KIAs, MIAs and POWs. The most humiliating I've seen is probably this British kid Aidan - who was all arrogant online, posting NAFO memes, but changed his tone real quick once shit hit the fan and he got captured together with Azov nazis and almost got executed (mercenaries get no protection under Geneva convention like e.g. Ukrainian POWs and nobody is going to miss them).

3) If anything - I have not posted many Russian sources in this thread and rely almost exclusively on Western (US, UK, Dutch) sources to explain my position and my arguments. Most of these arguments have stood the time and I have not seen even a meager attempt to discuss them - instead the likes of you try to divert the discussion elsewhere with whataboutism and personal attacks. My position about this war is well known to posters here and I regret the fact that people that were able to articulate their thought and hold a debate opposite me have gotten bored and left this subforum. Instead we now have some brainless NAFO zombies reposting stale memes and attacking posters because they are unable to string together more than 3 sentences.

Again my question to you: what do you think will happen if Cuba will again station Russian or Chinese nuclear submarines and Avangard MIRV nukes (in exchange for infrastructure development or economic favors or whatever)? Is that allowed according to international law and realpolitik? Cuba seems eerily close to be the Taiwan of United States - an unsinkable aircraft carrier which is difficult to attack (remember the Bay of Pigs humiliation suffered by the strongest military in the world?).

This post was edited by Malopox on Dec 10 2023 03:18am

This is the western view, but our (collective) view is opposed by Russia. ergo, the war.