Congress needs to pass supplemental funding for Ukraine before they break for the holiday. It's as simple as that," Biden said at the White House as the GOP-led House mulled Biden's request for $106 billion in emergency spending, including foreign aid.

"Frankly, I think It's stunning we have gotten to this point in the first place. Republicans in Congress are willing to give Putin the greatest gift he could hope for and abandon our global leadership," Biden said.

Noting that underdog Ukraine has managed to hang on for nearly two years after the Russian invasion of its western neighbor, Biden said, "We can't let Putin win." If the autocratic Russian leader succeeds in vanquishing Ukraine, he will continue his aggression to include a NATO member country, triggering the security alliance rule that demands other NATO countries come to its defense.

"If Putin takes Ukraine, he won't stop there," Biden warned.

And then, "We'll have something that we don't seek and that we don't have today: American troops fighting Russian troops," Biden said evenly

The fact that you speak French doesn't mean you are actually a citizen of France. I know a lot of people that speak French fluently (including slangs and verlang) - but that doesn't make them citizens of France. Every time people invoke France here in PARD is not a personal attack against you, but is a comparison between eg the way France does things and other nations do things. You are more welcome to bring much needed nuance if you think you understand the situation better given your knowledge of French.

After all France is the founding country of what became the European Union so their track record and performance are closely interlinked with that of Europe as a whole. So e.g. a bedbug problem in Paris might spread to Amsterdam, Berlin, Madrid and Milan as those are closely connected by constant flow of tourists and business people alike.



You were given an extensive answer to your attempt to dodge and divert the discussion by invoking Chechnya. You somehow consider this bona-fide debate attempt as a personal attack. Well, it is not. It is a post in a debating subforum based on facts and arguments, showcasing knowledge of historical events, contemporary news as well as making use of media to supplant the message.

If you are unable to debate this topic further - it is sometimes worth it to admit you are out of arguments (hence the "grasping at straws" reference when you tried to divert discussion further to Finland?).

If you are not willing to debate in good faith or lack knowledge of the subject, I personally recommend refraining from engaging in debates for the time being as you might feel insulted if you lose the debate based on your lack of argumentation and knowledge of the subject matter. Memes and propaganda excerpts from NAFO twitter accounts do not constitute such knowledge. Do not forget that you are at a disadvantage here as you have no skin in the game in this conflict as you are neither Ukranian, nor Russian possessing neither the cultural background to understand the implications of certain political decisions, nor the Ukrainian or Russian language to understand original sources of information. ChatGPT cannot substitute nuance that comes with learning a language.



PS: I honestly, strongly recommend to listen to this 2.5 hour podcast episode by Darryl Cooper to learn a bit of historical perspective on what we have been debating here for almost 2 years. Keep in mind this was released on 14th of March 2022.

This post was edited by Malopox on Dec 8 2023 06:43am

"South Korea is the largest supplier of shells to Ukraine, after the United States" Washington Post.
The publication notes that the country delivered more shells than the entire European Union, and did it in just 41 days. more than three hundred thousand 155mm shells.





70 years ago, shells and bombs supplied by Soviet Union had killed million+ people in South Korea; now Shells from South Korea are getting payback for their ancestors

Boomerang is a bitch lol

This post was edited by Uber23 on Dec 8 2023 07:05am

Didn't the Union include Ukrainian SSR with the biggest Communist Party in the entire USSR?

Is nuance the shill word of the week?

The south Korean Arms industry is no joke. The German arms industry in the other hand is an utter joke.
From Merkel appeaing Putin to Scholz offering to send helmets to Kiev.
About time they got their house in order.

Their military factories didn't stop even when Soviet Union lost the cold war and crumbled into ash, Poongsang on its own produces 70-80,000 155mm shells monthly. And there are others as well.

Would thanks North Korea for SK stocks and production capacity but Putin did already.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1035390/south-korea-gdp-comparison-with-north-korea/



No, no, and no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings#Alleged_Russian_government_involvement

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Dec 8 2023 08:45am

You're NOT being called out, you were quoted in PARD

Users here are fully allowed to post French memes / US memes / Russian memes / whatever memes, as long as they don't break forum rules

You are NOT going to stop me or anyone posting in PARD no matter how hard you try to provoke users and then complain when you get a reaction in debate

Get over it

This post was edited by Djunior on Dec 8 2023 09:12am

I see some people here seem to be lost, lol

Look at this MASSIVE list of aid sent to Ukraine by dozens of countries, companies and other parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

Despite the massive support of all of these countries the Great Ukrainian Counteroffensive failed horribly and the elite NATO trained and equipped brigades were ground into dust.

Russia, (admittedly with a little help from Iran and North Korea) has absorbed everything and remarkably easily because they've upped their game and now maintain a huge force in Ukraine instead of a 150K army spread out over a very large territory like in the beginning of the conflict.

And now the usual suspects are celebrating that South Korea is sending shells. Well consider this:

All available 155 mm ammo was already sent to Ukraine including cluster ammo for Christ sake, stock piles were emptied and Ukraine is still being outgunned by the so called shovel guys who are using rusty WW2 equipment they pulled out of museums.

This post was edited by Djunior on Dec 8 2023 09:44am