Quote (thesnipa @ 8 Apr 2022 23:41)

that's what im referring to, from the 1820s on after Andrew Jackson signed legislation to put indians on reservations and strip them of their land.

not the previous 1600s-1800s war in the settlement phase, which FYI saw about 90% of the casualties or more caused by incidental disease passage, not guns and swords.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 8 2022 11:44am)

im not even strictly speaking of the US as a moral arbiter, i'm speaking of its people being against human rights issues and using our representatives to combat it. we should likewise as US people be against those reps when they commit human rights atrocities. as a Christian i disagree it's not our moral obligation. i dont care if it cause friction or not. plenty of men in the bible were stoned for telling blasphemers to honor the word of God.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 8 Apr 2022 23:41)

This is my biggest problem with thought in the west when it comes to international politics. It's not our right to decide what's wrong and right in the world, especially when we do so capriciously based on which regime is pro west and which dares step out of line. We do not have a monopoly on moralism nor do we have some God-ordained right to tell others how things ought to be in their countries.

It would be one thing if we were logically consistent, but then there are volumes of historical accounts how we toppled democracies in banana republics, how we sponsored the Mujahedeen & other Islamists, how we care so much about conflicts/atrocities done by our adversaries but have no problem stomping out plebs in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, etc. Whether it's Russia, China or India or whatever other superpower, when you talk to them like that, there will be immediate friction. It's an inherently disrespectful tone, one that says we are superior, our ideology is superior and unless you do what we say then xyz.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 8 2022 10:54am)

Well if that criticism was impartial i'd agree but it's not we have half a dozen wars and interventions as well as the Saudi Arabia planks in our eye meanwhile trying to judge others. As a Christian our obligation is to promote peace and Christ not hegemonic interests guised under 'spreading democracy'.

Besides those countries in the east have a history of white Christian men coming to their countries, stripping them and tell them what civilized people should be like. That's why you have the former English vassals telling us to fuck off when we're trying to force them to choose the 'right' side in this Russia-Ukraine war.

Quote (thesnipa @ 8 Apr 2022 23:59)

sure from a macro view, on the micro of muslim genocides and the ukrainian invasion and war crimes, which is what im speaking of, i dont care if it causes friction. its right to speak out against these crimes.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 8 2022 04:58pm)

But you do realized more often than not the West and more so when it comes to American Government , they have a very friendly habit of trying to help a person think for themselves. :P

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 8 2022 05:01pm)

I think you are right in a way. For the Sake of Humanity we should. But then ... what next?

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 8 2022 12:01pm)

I think you are right in a way. For the Sake of Humanity we should. But then ... what next?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 8 2022 05:10pm)

The what next when you don't respect other superpower interests is conflict, not necessarily just armed conflict. In the case of Russia, they're lashing out in the form of military conflict. If they had enough economic clout they would have tried that. In case of China they do have the economic clout so their fuck you will be in the form of dethroning the USD, dominating trade in the regionworld , etc.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 9 Apr 2022 00:10)

The what next when you don't respect other superpower interests is conflict, not necessarily just armed conflict. In the case of Russia, they're lashing out in the form of military conflict. If they had enough economic clout they would have tried that. In case of China they do have the economic clout so their fuck you will be in the form of dethroning the USD, dominating trade in the region, etc.